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Empress Theresa - what do you do with unlimited power ? (1 Viewer)

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Jeko

WF Veterans
Don't forget copyright laws, Cadence. I've left a paper trail all over the internet going back years, and I told some people elements of the story when you were in diapers.

So, you plan to get this published, have critics gawp at how deep the meanings of it are and become famous for it, etc.

When you send your query letter to an agent, they'll probably google your novel and this thread will come up. And then they'll ignore your query.

Why? Anyone who can't take simple, friendly advice from a fellow writer will never take it from an editor or publishing house. You've proven that you're impossible to work with, ET. I wish you luck for success in the future, but now that this conversation is on the internet, you are really going to need it if you want to get a publisher.

Thank you for the idea of a girl with infinite power, though. I hope I'll get it published one day.

And I never wore diapers. I'm British.
 

empresstheresa

Senior Member
When you send your query letter to an agent, they'll probably google your novel and this thread will come up. And then they'll ignore your query.


I have another thread on another forum that's years old. Nobody over there trashes my story. They're not jealous writers.

Thank you for the idea of a girl with infinite power, though. I hope I'll get it published one day.

Thanks for admitting it's my idea.

I'll see you in court.

And I never wore diapers. I'm British.


This is obviously bait to get me banned. I see it all the time.
 
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Terry D

Retired Supervisor
The fact is, no one here has seen enough of Empress Theresa in its current form to be able to state whether it is publishable, or not. Forum members are free to critique, at will, those parts which have been excerpted here (as long as they do so with the same respect demanded for all writers here at WF). I've seen nothing here which indicates that anyone is jealous of this book; critical, yes, but not jealous.

The easiest way to put this discussion to rest would be to get the book published--if it is indeed ready to publish. Agents and publishers will make their decisions based on the merits of the book, not on discussions, or excerpts on writer's websites.

By the way, the 'idea' of a book can not be copyrighted, only the actual book itself. Everyone who has ever heard of Empress Theresa could write a book about a young girl with unlimited power and they would be safe from copyright issues as long as they told their own story about the girl.
 

empresstheresa

Senior Member
the fact is, no one here has seen enough of empress theresa in its current form to be able to state whether it is publishable, or not.



THANK YOU, TERRY !! :icon_compress: :champagne:


I've said the same thing myself a couple of times, but I'm ignored.

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With respect to copyright protection of a story====

When Fail Safe came out, somebody else sued the two co-authors for stealing a similar story the plaintive wrote or proposed a few years earlier. In the earlier story, Atlantic City was bombed to satisfy the Russians. In Fail Safe it was New York City.
It's all a matter of how similar two stories are. This is a grey issue which can't be nailed down in writing. It's a matter of interpretation, like pornography: "I know it when I see it."
 
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popsprocket

Retired Chief Media Manager
Copyright law is pretty straight forward. Someone would have to copy more than 10% of the actual text in a verbatim or recognisable manner before you could sue for copyright violation, at least in Australia.
 

empresstheresa

Senior Member
Copyright law is pretty straight forward. Someone would have to copy more than 10% of the actual text in a verbatim or recognisable manner before you could sue for copyright violation, at least in Australia.



That's very interesting. Especially the phrase "recognisable manner".

Empress Theresa has many scenes and situations. [
none of them "predictable". See below. ] ( Also, many human elements thrown in, but never mind. ) This gives me confidence that I can defend it. Somebody couldn't steal more than three or four scenes and situations and then it will be obvious to a judge and jury what's going on.

In the Fail Safe situation, the concept of accidental nuclear war and appeasement of the aggrieved party was an old one. This complicated the case. Furthermore, the resolution of the problem was predictable, that is, what was done in both stories. So what is the judge to think?
:upset:
 

DragonWriter

Senior Member
I have to agree with a lot of the others: she sounds pretty stuck up AND above age ten. I think it's cool that she likes to do good for the world instead of using her power for her own gain, but even when she asks(or more demands) to simply be left alone, well, it sounds snobbish instead of humble. However, I don't know if you've ever watched the British TV show Doctor Who, but the main character(not the recent Doctor; the Tenth is the one I am referring to :) although he DOES have flaws) has maybe not unlimited but pretty darn close to unlimited power, and he uses it for good, AND he doesn't like getting attention. However, he doesn't act like everyone is hounding him; he simply and humbly doesn't take all the credit and when able to passes it onto someone else...
"I won't answer your reporters's questions. Nobody elected you. I'll talk to elected heads of state when necessary for the public good.
"I saved your lives. All I want in return is the right to walk the streets without being hounded by curiosity seekers and the paparazzi. You owe me that much."

That definitely sounds stuck up and rude, sorry. If she's a hero doing things for the people's good, then I don't think she should sound like it's just a duty she HAS to do and like just leave me alone about it! If she doesn't want attention, that's fine, but especially for being just a ten year old, and with as much power as she has, she doesn't have to demand privacy; she can simply ask for it cause as you said everyone is pretty much lost without her.
Oh and you said, "Theresa is a good girl. She doesn't do anything bad to anybody. She doesn't tell anybody what to do."
...Yet she demands that they give her privacy.
Sorry, I have not had a book published professionally, yet, but just because someone's not a "published" author doesn't mean they can't have good opinions, perhaps even better than some "published writer"...
The story was quite confusing to me too...I didn't get the thing with the fox and the white ball and why the firemen were there...but maybe it's just because I haven't seen the rest :)
Those are my thoughts. I'm not trying to be offensive; if I sound that way, I'm sorry. I am just a normal girl with dreams of publishing like so many others :) But when you're asking for an opinion on a writing forum, there will be critiques. The point of them is not just to bash your writing, but to help you improve. But it's your choice whether you want to take these suggestions to better your book, or if you want to disregard any constructive criticism anyone else gives.
Hope I didn't offend you and I wish you luck in your writing journey! :)
-Jaren
 

popsprocket

Retired Chief Media Manager
"Recognisable manner" refers to text that's not copied verbatim, but is easily recognisable as having come from the original source (i.e. it's not enough to change a few words). To get Cadence on copyright infringement you'd have to prove that he had 'reasonable' access to the parts of the work that were plagiarised. Since we only have a few excerpts on here to go by, there is no reasonable access to the majority of what you've written. Even if you had posted the full text somewhere else online it would be up to you to prove that Cadence accessed it.
 

empresstheresa

Senior Member
"I won't answer your reporters's questions. Nobody elected you. I'll talk to elected heads of state when necessary for the public good.
"I saved your lives. All I want in return is the right to walk the streets without being hounded by curiosity seekers and the paparazzi. You owe me that much."

That definitely sounds stuck up and rude, sorry. If she's a hero doing things for the people's good, then I don't think she should sound like it's just a duty she HAS to do and like just leave me alone about it!

Between these two paragraphs, Theresa says this:

“There is another important point. My work isn’t done. I still have to watch what HAL is doing. Some people will want me to do this or that with him. They will demonstrate for their pet project when it will benefit them at the cost to others. I cannot allow myself to be influenced by demonstrations. I have a responsibility to be fair to everybody."

Theresa assumes this point is understood and doesn't expand it.
Somebody who seeks public attention will tap dance to whatever is popular. Theresa can't let this happen.

On the next page she narrates:
Neither the House members nor any of the millions watching could believe it. They had never heard of any person with any kind of achievement no matter how small not seeking some kind of recognition for it. Nobody was immune. Even Medal of Honor winners, whose aura depended on a show of humility, at least gave one interview to one reporter. Here I’d just saved the world, and I wanted nothing to do with them. The all-powerful World Empress wouldn’t make the rounds of the talk shows and political meetings. I wanted a private life.

She understands that some people will consider her asnob, but as she narrates later, "That's how it had to be from now on."
 

DragonWriter

Senior Member
So she just accepts that she's a snob? Wow. It's just your way or the high way isn't it? Why ask for advice if all you want is someone to go praise you on every aspect of a first draft of a novel? If you won't accept criticism I can't really help you, cause I certainly won't lie and say that everything about the book was just FABULOUS and kept me completely captivated! Although a lot of it isn't even that you need to rewrite anything. Just rearrange it so it makes more sense. I did that a lot with my book; I didn't have to rewrite every part that didn't fit but just ease it elsewhere into the story so it FLOWED and fit.
And if she had so much power, I'm sure she could tell them she's NOT a s nob if she didn't want to be one. She has all the power in the world and still allows herself to be pushed around by others...
and the whole romance thing?...with the way the character is, it just completely destroyed any ideas of a 'good' character that I had in the beginning.
 

empresstheresa

Senior Member
To Jaren again... :hi:

Once upon I time I did a web search on the words writer forum, and noticed this one was a big one. So I joined.

I joined before looking at it.

I assumed it was a forum of published authors who would tell about their experiences with literary agents, publishers, writers groups, and their own backgrounds.

After looking around for a while I found out that's not what the forum was about. But I followed the crowd and gave a brief intro to my work.
The reaction was unexpected. I got this in post 14, from a Forum Moderator no less !
The difference between Harper Lee and you, is that you aren't Harper Lee.
It went downhill from there.
 
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DragonWriter

Senior Member
To ET :hi:
Once upon a time(rather recently :p) I did the exact same search on the words 'writer forum'. I joined also because it was well known. The first thought that came to my mind was not "AUTHOR'S forum" Just writers. Writers like me sharing stories opinions critiques and hopefully taking advice.
It's not a forum of New York Times best selling authors. It's just a forum of anyone who likes to write. Hence "writers" :)
Your assumption was wrong. But if you think about it, all those other authors were just aspiring writers once too. Writers with big idea and great dreams.
However, I see I'm getting nowhere with this. You simply won't accept anything anyone says. Yikes, to think of what an editor or published author would do if you replied like this to their more "professional" criticism! :O
 

DragonWriter

Senior Member
Haha, and the ironic thing is although you are and probably will disregard everything I say, I like this place! :) Watching the way others handle critiquing a story and even handle people who don't take criticism is simply making me EXCITED to post part of my story and yes *gasp* hear criticism and not get offended! ;)

Actually, I enjoy constructive criticism. That's right, I ENJOY it! Even hearing someone tell me they hate my book ideas! Cause I take those things and use them to better my story, especially because this story is not just being written for me. It's being written for the general populace. So I think the general populace are the ones who really help decide if it's a good book; if it's a book they'd pick up and read.

Also, jumping back to your story though I dread what response I might get ;) it might be good to write a character sketch for Theresa. That way she won't be all over the place and won't do something she previously resolved she'd never do. But that's your call. I find it helpful though :)

Hehe and the funny thing about reading someone else's story is when I go back and read mine I can compare the overall appearance and either feel the need to improve or be like WOW my story's even better than I thought! :)
 

the antithesis

Senior Member
I have another thread on another forum that's years old. Nobody over there trashes my story. They're not jealous writers.

I was sorely tempted to ask where, but then I realized that I really don't care. So the only question is why do you remain here? Why not stay on that forum if that is what you prefer?
 
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Jeko

WF Veterans
I think post 173 is a better story than the current version of empress theresa, on the fact that it gets to the plot and conflict much quicker. Also, it has more interesting characters.
 

empresstheresa

Senior Member
I've only seen the kind of behavior I've seen on this forum outdone by one other forum,
the atheist forum I joined for a short time,
where anything goes no matter how outrageous,
except reason.
 

Jeko

WF Veterans
I don't understand your concern. The problem doesn't lie with anyone else on this forum. You, ET, are the person taking offense at everyone's useful critique. I'd appretiate it if you didn't place any blame on the great, helpful people that have taken the time to read your work and say what they think, when it is your response to what they say that causes such an issue here. I could only think that if you stopped reading your own posts, you wouldn't have the problem you do.

On an unrelated note, the way you wrote that post made me want to turn it into a poem:

This forum's behaviour is only outdone by
the atheist forum I joined for a short season,
where anything goes, no matter how outrageous,
except reason.

 
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