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Empress Theresa - what do you do with unlimited power ? (2 Viewers)

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empresstheresa

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Okay, so it's a YA book you're marketing to pretty much everyone. Considering that I've read The Hunger Games as well as the YA books that my daughter's reading I can see this. So, what do you think you'll do here? Divide it or keep it as one? I haven't read every word of your thread so you may have covered this but are you going to write more about empress theresa? If there is more material to come I'd still say go for a series. Why not?


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YA book you're marketing to pretty much everyone

The only element that would be hard to get people in general to accept is the entity called HAL. The book explains what he is, where he came from, how he evolved, and how he operates. Hint: he's not from an alien civilization and he's not alive, and he's probably billions of years old, and by some mysterious process he multiplies into trillions throughout the universe so there was a good chance one might wander into Earth.

If the reader gets past that, the rest of the story is entirely within the sphere of human activity in the present world, not some futuristic world where anything is possible due to scientific advances. No time travel, no alien invasions, no zombies, vampires, dragons, witches or any of that hokey stuff which make me despair of America's future.

RE: Divide it or keep it as one?

Although I think the chances are no better than winning the Powerball lottery, there is a small possibility a literary agent might start talking about dividing the book into two. That is possible. I still have that 142,000 word version.

At the end of chapter 13, Theresa has triumphed. She has cracked the "code" to controlling HAL, and implemented the solution to saving the world from global starvation. She is the greatest hero since, er..... well....... the greatest ever.

Edmund Parker invited the Prime Minister to stay a while and Blair accepted. We all watched the television as the news broke out.​
The reporters talked excitedly about how I had saved seven billion lives. There wouldn’t even be a famine in Asia. I was the biggest hero in history. Steve was so proud of me he almost popped the buttons off his shirt.​
It was still light in America. Early evening baseball games were going on and the crowds were jumping up and down screaming my name. The scoreboards showed series of my pictures. New Yorkers were pouring into Times Square for a New Year’s Eve kind of celebration. But all this was nothing. It was morning in Beijing, China. Millions of people were collecting in the Forbidden City. They were holding my photograph in their hands and yelling Tah-ee-sah! Tah-ee-sah! I was smiling and tearing up at the same time. This was my greatest moment.​

A book could be neatly ended there.

What about the second book?
The solution Theresa implements to prevent global starvation will itself cause "impossible" problems. As Edmund Parker says, "The world is a delicate mechanism. Change one thing and you change something else." Theresa's struggle goes on.


Interesting to think about.
 
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Jeko

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The only element that would be hard to get people in general to accept is the entity called HAL. The book explains what he is, where he came from, how he evolved, and how he operates. Hint: he's not from an alien civilization and he's not alive, and he's probably billions of years old, and by some mysterious process he multiplies into trillions throughout the universe so there was a good chance one might wander into Earth.

I'm already very interested in HAL.

If you want to avoid turning people off with a more complex idea, it might be worth making it more vague and a product of the reader's imagination. Unless you've already done that.
 

Foxee

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The only element that would be hard to get people in general to accept is the entity called HAL.
The thing is, that is your job as a writer. Convince them that HAL is real.

In 2001: A Space Odyssey the audience believes, at least while they're watching the movie, that a sentient computer (which you reminded me of with the name) is real.

In Chronicles of Narnia the readers believe, for a time, that animals can talk and a mouse can be a knight of Narnia.

In Terry Pratchett's Discworld series you can believe for a while in a world that is a flat earth, resting on the backs of four elephants who stand on a giant turtle as it swims through space.

Suspension of disbelief is essential, you have to believe it and in the most convincing way possible, get us to believe it. At least for a while.
 

Jeko

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not some futuristic world where anything is possible due to scientific advances.

If Theresa has unlimited power of any kind, doesn't that mean that the possibilties become more endless?

Your story does look like sci-fi to me, in a way.
 

empresstheresa

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The thing is, that is your job as a writer. Convince them that HAL is real.

In 2001: A Space Odyssey the audience believes, at least while they're watching the movie, that a sentient computer (which you reminded me of with the name) is real.

In Chronicles of Narnia the readers believe, for a time, that animals can talk and a mouse can be a knight of Narnia.

In Terry Pratchett's Discworld series you can believe for a while in a world that is a flat earth, resting on the backs of four elephants who stand on a giant turtle as it swims through space.

Suspension of disbelief is essential, you have to believe it and in the most convincing way possible, get us to believe it. At least for a while.



Interesting observations, Foxee. You're very foxy.

People are willing to suspend belief if they've heard a book is worth reading.
This is true not only in scifi or fantasy.

Consider the "real life" book To Kill a Mockingbird. The infamous Robert Ewell, who everybody knows beat his daughter for the unforgivable sin of tempting a black and tries to cover it up by getting the black convicted of beating and raping his daughter, is angry at lawyer Atticus Finch for making him look like a scumbag in court. Ewell tries to get revenge on Atticus by attacking his 13 year old son Jem and 9 year old daughter Scout and apparently trying to kill them ( with a switchblade knife not mentioned in the movie ).


Well! Really now! Have you ever heard of that happening in real life? It stretches credulity.
Even Harper Lee seems to sense she's going too far. She has Atticus express amazement that anybody could be that low.

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Sidenote:
In chapter one, Theresa had seen 2001 on television a few months earlier and now she rents the movie. When Jan Struthers visits she mentions the movie and Theresa says she calls the entity HAL.
"HAL was the computer. The monolith was the alien."
"The monolith didn't talk."
"Does HAL talk to you?"
"No."
Ten year old Theresa is a little confused. Later, her sharp mind will dazzle everybody.
 
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empresstheresa

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If Theresa has unlimited power of any kind, doesn't that mean that the possibilties become more endless?



Theresa doesn't have unlimited power of any kind.
HAL is a very clunky device to use, something like the first personal computers that became available, the Commodore 64 and all those pieces of junk. Remember them? If that's your picture, you weren't born yet.

Theresa needs days to program HAL to do a single specific action. She doesn't have a magic wand from Sleeping Beauty to wave at any problem she sees and have immediately done what she wants done by just thinking about it.

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Although Theresa could develop a large network of fanatical followers, like Hitler or Mao, or like the computer in Colossus: The Forbin Project sequel, and get everybody in the world to sing and dance whatever tune she wants,
she doesn't do this.
She's a good girl. "I'm not going to tell anybody what to do. People know best what to do with there lives."
 
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Foxee

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People are willing to suspend belief if they've heard a book is worth reading.
Okay, here you've moved from the writing (your job) to the marketing department's success in getting the word out about your book. You aren't ready for the marketing department, the ball's still in your court.

I'm not sure why you have it in for Harper Lee but, that aside, I've already listed at least three other totally improbable scenarios that audiences still believed in quite strongly and we could go all day listing similar examples. My point is that you sounded like you're faulting readers, as though perhaps they're not going to buy into your HAL character because of some shortcoming of their own. If you don't think he's believable then now is the time to figure out why and get the character banged into shape.

Without that the best marketing in the world won't get someone to read the entire book.
 

empresstheresa

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My point is that you sounded like you're faulting readers, as though perhaps they're not going to buy into your HAL character because of some shortcoming of their own.


Where did heck did you get that!
:scratch: :upset:
What goes on on this forum?
 

Foxee

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Where did heck did you get that!
:scratch: :upset:
I'm referring to this:
The only element that would be hard to get people in general to accept is the entity called HAL.

This is why I started talking about the willing suspension of disbelief.

What goes on on this forum?
Okay, I made a comment you didn't agree with. How is that the forum's fault? Let's keep it about what is under discussion here.

Hope that clears things up.
 

empresstheresa

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Theresa doesn't have unlimited power of any kind.


Theresa acquires limitless power extending over the entire globe.

Yes, I don't think I can be much help here.



I agree. You can't help.

I've already adequately explained before,
Theresa's power is in the physical sense. She can move matter around anywhere. No limits.
But this doesn't mean she has unlimited power of any kind.
She can't grow food. She can't turn an apple into an orange. She can't read minds. She can't time the stock market. She can't predict the future. She can't write a hit song. She can't rig elections. She can't..... etc etc
She can't even do a new action of moving matter around at the spur of the moment. It takes her a few days to program HAL to do a new action using the complicated code she has invented for controlling HAL. Until she finishes this programming she is powerless for that action.

Either
you simply don't understand what you're reading,
or
you're deliberately picking my sentences out of context from different sources and putting them together so as to make me look self-contradictory and to make it seem I'm saying something I didn't say,

something I have seen done everywhere, on this forum and other forums, something I never do myself because I'm not out to get anybody.

Neither of these two choices is good, my young friend.
 
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lasm

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Might be worth recalling a little detail in post #20:
empresstheresa said:
So did people on an atheist forum I joined a couple of months ago for laughs. I started a thread arguing for the existence of God.
So when empresstheresa becomes needlessly insulting in addition to obtuse and uninterested in helpful criticism, we should keep in mind he might just be doing it for the lulz.
 

empresstheresa

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Might be worth recalling a little detail in post #20:

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Originally Posted by empresstheresa
So did people on an atheist forum I joined a couple of months ago for laughs. I started a thread arguing for the existence of God.


So when empresstheresa becomes needlessly insulting in addition to obtuse and uninterested in helpful criticism, we should keep in mind he might just be doing it for the lulz.

Number 1:
That atheist forum said believers were welcome to discuss things.
Of course, when they identify a believer who has joined their forum, they attack him mercilessly.

Number 2:
You cannot know that I was insulting on that atheist forum because you can't see the thread I started there unless you're a member. I can't even see it myself because I was banned.

Therefore,
your "argument", such as it is, falls apart.


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In ET, Theresa becomes a worldwide hero.
Everybody wants to talk to her. Every reporter wants to ask questions. All the talk shows want her on.

But she knows human nature and knows the manipulations that will be attempted on her.

She withdraws from public life. She meets no one, ignores reporters, makes no public appearances, doesn't even wave back to the curious who see her on the street.

If I was smart, I'd to the same.
 

Terry D

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Let's get this thread back on the discussion of the work posted not on the intentions of the people posting. That will only lead to trouble.
 

Jeko

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I agree. You can't help.

Please explain to me who can, and I will try to emulate them.

I will also stop pointing our contradictions in what you say, as that doesn't seem to help make my confusion about certain areas of this go away. But I cannot continue to discuss your work unless you tell me what you want the discussion to be about.
 

empresstheresa

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Let's get this thread back on the discussion of the work posted not on the intentions of the people posting. That will only lead to trouble.

Sounds fair.

However,
I've already given away a lot of info about Empress Theresa, and can't give away any more without giving away the "crown jewels", as somebody called it. That wouldn't be smart.

I see no reason to keep the thread active.
This should be no surprise at this point if you check my last words in my last post.

Good luck with your writing careers, everybody.
:untroubled::joyous:

Lock it up if you wish, Terry. :welcome: I don't need it anymore.
 
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