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Amnesiac

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Also, people who kiss their dogs, knowing full well that their dogs lick their own ass and balls, are in a real panic to buy hand sanitizer. Really, you'd think they'd be after the mouthwash, but I''m the asshole for pointing that out.

Also, all of this antibacterial crap that people are buying: A bacteria is not a VIRUS. A decent, even cursory, microbiology class would do miracles. /smh..
 

velo

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Also, people who kiss their dogs, knowing full well that their dogs lick their own ass and balls, are in a real panic to buy hand sanitizer. Really, you'd think they'd be after the mouthwash, but I''m the asshole for pointing that out.

Also, all of this antibacterial crap that people are buying: A bacteria is not a VIRUS. A decent, even cursory, microbiology class would do miracles. /smh..

Literally just back from the store and the shelves are empty of, wait for it...toilet paper. There is a part of me that is hoping this really is the apocalypse so I can watch all these data points from the left side of the intelligence bell curve try and eat their stock of Charmin.

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SueC

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Okay now that it's been mentioned - what is the deal with the toilet paper? Went to the store on Sunday morning and saw a completely empty aisle where toilet paper used to be. Little signs hung on empty shelves, saying "limit of two." Someone strolled by with a cart and said there was toilet paper at the end of the aisle. So we went and found some of the stuff that your fingers poke through, even when its not wet. Then a boy came by with a loader full of the expensive, ultra big rolls, extra wide and expensive TP. The type of paper I never buy at $14 a pop! But I bought one - and I wasn't even at the store to get toilet paper! My friend bought two of them, right off the loader. What is wrong with us? I don't even know why everyone is so hyped about toilet paper, but I guess I must have felt like I was missing something, or missed some kind of important government report that said TP was in short supply and would be for the next 100 years. LOL!

I felt like Elaine :) (You have to be older to get this)

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Foxee

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What is wrong with us?
Beats me, I didn't think that I was freaking out over TP but when I found that the grocery store had some I still felt like doing a firedance in the endzone. When I brought a package home I was hailed as a conquering hero.

For anyone who wants numbers, a friend linked me to a tracking dashboard that gives info on the virus spread worldwide from Johns Hopkins: COVID-19 Global Cases

There is a store chain (one that I didn't even know was still around, Woolworth's) who started offering an 'Elderly-only' shopping hour to help seniors get what they need.
ETA: I just saw that Dollar General (the dollar store here that pops up in random places as though to take over the world) is setting aside the first hour after they open for the elderly now.
 
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Biro

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In the 1970's and 80's it was common at all British football matches for the crowd to take toilet rolls to the stadiums and throw them in huge long streamers onto the football pitch. (I never knew why)

Those video's are all over Youtube and there are people now who apparently salivate when watching them. Longing for the good old days of 'Loo Roll Porn'.
 

Biro

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Beats me, I didn't think that I was freaking out over TP but when I found that the grocery store had some I still felt like doing a firedance in the endzone. When I brought a package home I was hailed as a conquering hero.

This just shows the complete failure of 'Bidet' marketing. When people still prefer to wipe instead of wash you just know the message isnt getting across.
 
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luckyscars

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Okay now that it's been mentioned - what is the deal with the toilet paper?

There was some theory that it was related to TP being a good substitute for Kleenex.

Personally, I think it's nowhere near that rational. I think it's kind of 'stampede syndrome'. Basically, nobody had any idea what to buy -- because we aren't used to this kind of thing -- and were not sure of the symptoms. So a handful of people started loading up on toilet paper. Toilet paper usually comes in very big packages. It is very visible in a grocery cart, a very 'visual' indicator of 'hey I'm stocking up on this stuff!' Somebody with a ton of pasta you may not notice but somebody walking out of a store with twenty big packs of toilet paper looks like a walking iceberg...

...So a few more people started buying it in huge quantities. Not necessarily a lot of people, but it isn't something most grocery stores necessarily have a massive stockpile of in the first place. It's not milk or bread. So, suddenly there are empty shelves.

It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. People who on the one hand KNOW it's not necessary start to buy it because suddenly it's hard to get hold of. It's scarcity makes it valuable.

Much the same is probably true for how gold and silver became valuable back in ancient times: It was already somewhat useful, somewhat scarce, somewhat valuable...so people started hoarding it more and more, which made it incredibly needed, incredibly scarce, and extremely valuable.
 

Biro

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There was some theory that it was related to TP being a good substitute for Kleenex.

Personally, I think it's nowhere near that rational. I think it's kind of 'stampede syndrome'. Basically, nobody had any idea what to buy -- because we aren't used to this kind of thing -- and so a handful of people started loading up on toilet paper. Toilet paper comes in very big packages, is very visible in a grocery cart, is a very 'visual' indicator of 'hey I'm stocking up'. So a few more people started buying it in huge quantities. Not necessarily a lot of people, but it isn't something most grocery stores necessarily have a massive stockpile of. It's not milk or bread.

It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. People who on the one hand KNOW it's not necessary start to buy it because suddenly it's hard to get hold of. It's scarcity makes it valuable.

Much the same is probably true for how gold and silver became valuable back in ancient times: It was already somewhat useful, somewhat scarce, somewhat valuable...so people started hoarding it more and more, which made it incredibly valuable.

About 12 years ago and even before. There were/are 'Preppers' who made videos for Youtube. They were talking of the 'Banking crash' and the 'end of oil'. One item they stocked up with was toilet roll. This was because in their underground bunker while hiding from the ravaging gangs of people who were roaming the country looking for weapons, food and women. They of course needed toilet paper. One of those items you cannot do without in such situations as you need to conserve water. (so they say).

Perhaps it stems from there?
 
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Amnesiac

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For all of our "civilization" and "progress," humankind really hasn't progressed beyond the level of a common beast, for the most part. We'll cooperate with each other if it's to our own benefit, and we'll collectively respond to peer pressure, but our altruism and all of the other high-flung philosophical crap just collapses when people don't know where their next meal or paycheck is coming from.
 

Foxee

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For all of our "civilization" and "progress," humankind really hasn't progressed beyond the level of a common beast, for the most part. We'll cooperate with each other if it's to our own benefit, and we'll collectively respond to peer pressure, but our altruism and all of the other high-flung philosophical crap just collapses when people don't know where their next meal or paycheck is coming from.
Hey, take a breath. Have a cookie. Go for a jog. All is not lost. Yeah, there's some slime in the milk of human kindness sometimes and it's best not to trust people indiscriminately. But for all of that there are still people pushing against that, doing things that benefit others, not for gain.

Humans are tuned to the channel of self, it's true. But some overcome that.

And the sun's out (here anyway). Free irradiation. Have you had the bike out?
 

Amnesiac

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Okay: Time for some GOOD news!

1. China has closed down its last corona virus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

2. Doctors in India have been successful in treating corona virus.

3. Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against corona virus.

4. A 103-year old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China

5. Apple reopens all 42 stores in China

6. Cleveland Clinic developed a Covid-19 test that gives results in hours; not days.

7. South Korea reports that numbers of new cases are declining.

8. Italy is hard hit, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.

9. Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a corona virus vaccine

10. 3 Maryland corona virus patients are fully recovered and have returned to everyday life.

11. A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.

12. Tulsa County's first positive Covid-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.

13. All seven patients who were being treated at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.
 

andrewclunn

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For all of our "civilization" and "progress," humankind really hasn't progressed beyond the level of a common beast, for the most part. We'll cooperate with each other if it's to our own benefit, and we'll collectively respond to peer pressure, but our altruism and all of the other high-flung philosophical crap just collapses when people don't know where their next meal or paycheck is coming from.

Warning, long winded rant to follow:

Yep. Turns out all our "greater good" stuff was really just an extension of tribalism. For a very brief period of time we thought we could come to see everyone as being on the same team, and very quickly we realized that those who don't will use in-group out-group approaches to beat down any group foolish enough to try and rise about their tribal inclinations. Basically, the sad truth is that we need to not be foolish enough to regard the "other" as being no different from our close kin, as they will never extend the same kindness back. Be it racial, religious, regional, or cultural, we need to be honest with ourselves that the "greater good" is like every other question about good and bad. It always implicitly asks "good or bad for whom, or for what?" Even the religion of Christianity, that in part tells people to love their neighbors as themselves, and extend the notion of neighborhood to the stranger, coupled with forgiveness for the once enemy, does so with the express intention of bringing those strangers and former foes into the fold. And don't get me started on the studies that show that conversion based faiths tend to be more parasitic to their believers than progeny based (where the majority of new believers are born to existing believers rather than converted from the rest of the population). Turns out that our philosophical or memetic identities and strategies sit just above our biology as emergent strategies for advancement. Now this isn't to say that morality is subjective, as there are clearly certain strategies which are worse than others in all regards, but if someone is telling you that morals and ethics exist in some static universal form at the same level or higher than physical laws, unchanging and not adapting to the environment, then they're lying (either knowingly or not). Disillusionment with this view of morality is tough I know, but it's an important step that one realize why 90%+ of philosophy is crap in order to come to understand those aspects of it that are not.

End long rant.


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Biro

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Warning, long winded rant to follow:

Yep. Turns out all our "greater good" stuff was really just an extension of tribalism. For a very brief period of time we thought we could come to see everyone as being on the same team, and very quickly we realized that those who don't will use in-group out-group approaches to beat down any group foolish enough to try and rise about their tribal inclinations. Basically, the sad truth is that we need to not be foolish enough to regard the "other" as being no different from our close kin, as they will never extend the same kindness back. Be it racial, religious, regional, or cultural, we need to be honest with ourselves that the "greater good" is like every other question about good and bad. It always implicitly ass "good or bad for whom, or for what?" Even the religion of Christianity, that in part tells people to love their neighbors and themselves, and extend the notion of neighborhood to the stranger, coupled with forgiveness for the once enemy, does so with the express intention of bringing those strangers and former foes into the fold. And don't get me started in the studies that show that conversion based faiths tend to be more parasitic to their believers than progeny based (where the majority of new believers are born to existing believers rather than converted from the rest of the population). Turns out that our philosophical or memetic identities and strategies sit just above our biology as emergent strategies for advancement. Now this isn't to say that morality is subjective, as there are clearly certain strategies which are worse than others in all regards, but if someone is telling you that morals and ethics exist in some static universal form at the same level or higher than physical laws, unchanging or adapting to the environment, then they're lying (either knowingly or not). Disillusionment with this view of morality is tough I know, but it's an important step that one realize why 90%+ of philosophy is crap in order to come to understand those aspects of it that are not.

End long rant.

To be honest I am sick to death of people telling me how I must think about other people. I know who I like and who I don't. My instincts tell me and they are rarely wrong.
 

escorial

WF Veterans
It's hear,it's not going away.....we have never beat the flu...I use to phone work an said i got the flu but when I got it I can remember thinking...who ever believed I had the flu the weekend and turned up Tuesday ok for work...why does evolution kill humans when cells die inside us
to..cancer...flu..ECT...because their greedy like humans
 
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