I Wish More People Would Share Their Process


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    I Wish More People Would Share Their Process

    It's just a general observation. When I post threads up, particularly in this section, I like to put my process out there in all its rawness. For instance, in my 'I want to give the farmhouse personality' thread, I try to adjust as I go and often put down my thoughts while I'm doing it. For a beginner, that's invaluable for two reasons. One, it gives them ideas on how to think through problems and two, it shows everyone is in the same boat. We're all beginners when faced with a blank page, it's becoming a finisher that matters.
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    Hmmm... You will have to wait a bit. I will share but only after...

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    Process implies organisation and method, two elements foreign to me...
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    "My process" is usually in development and is often changing. I've heard that for a lot of writers the process will change from project to project.

    This is another thing I don't ruminate over. I'm busy trying to figure out what works and then trying to make progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxee View Post
    "My process" is usually in development and is often changing. I've heard that for a lot of writers the process will change from project to project.

    This is another thing I don't ruminate over. I'm busy trying to figure out what works and then trying to make progress.
    Process depends on your personality and background; no one alive fits neatly and exclusively into any sort of boxed persona. A writing process is definitely not a once size fits all procedure.

    At a base level, tell us whether you prefer planning many things in advance or just charge into the breach. Even within plotter / pantster categories there is a very wide spectrum of shades.

    A wild life (and the consequences thereof) makes hesitate before making decisions; I think and consider the cost before jumping into anything. I also worked as an engineer - and we don't wing it with anything.

    My advice to those that wonder how to start, and more importantly finish a novel, is to start with a loose plot. This is basically just a quick sketch of the characters and where they will start and finish - which includes a vague plot. Write your first novel with that.

    THEN - and this is most important - when it's complete, go back and figure out what worked and what didn't. If you hated and felt confined by your plot, then don't do that again, on the other hand, if you liked the plot but your writing struggled here and there and your first draft was riddled with plot holes, then make a more detailed plot next time.

    It's a continuous process of improvement.

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    All processes are inherently under construction. Even as long as I've been doing this, I probably tweak something minor with every single book I write. Processes are also very individual. What works for one writer might not work for another. It's all good so long as it gets you where you want to go. It's when it doesn't that people need to re-evaluate and I find that a lot of people are stuck on process and not on goals.

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    It's not really like driving a car or playing football, there is not a way of doing writing that people follow. Process starts with an idea, like the story 'A family business' I just put up on my YouTube channel. I had an idea for a wave machine and made one and it worked, then I thought 'How could it be used?'. Well the big boys wouldn't want it, too invested in ships, who could?
    If the idea is good you can get away with an awful lot writing wise, like, 'Let's make the undead vampire sexy and sympathetic and have the heroine fall for him.' Critics almost universally panned 'Twilight' as bad writing, but a large number of readers bought it and enjoyed it.
    A new story

    I finally got 'A Family Business' recorded and loaded, all 37 mins of it, much longer than any I have done before.
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    I have like 12 processes. 7 of which produce anything of value... sometimes.
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    If anyone is open-minded to craft books then this one will help you accept that some are useful. I'll post one exercise, but I might use its exercises as a writing process. It is number 400 ranked in us sales on amazon. The best part is by posting this exercise you will get different results than me.

    Make a list of ten things that bother you the most about other people. For instance this might include selfishness, greed, rudeness, and arrogance (Do that before reading on). (He means it)

    Have you made the list? If so, now consider whether this might be qualities you most dislike in yourself. Can think of times when you exhibited any of the ones you listed? Psychologists say that it's quite common for us to dislike in others the negative qualities we fear we have ourselves.

    Now conjure up a character who embodies a number of these traits. What would they be like? What story might feature such a person? Would this person make a good antagonist, if not a fully fledged villain for your story?

    Also, consider the negative aspects of the personality of your protagonist. Would it humanize them if these came out more? Are they something your character struggles with and perhaps finds a hindrance to get what they want or need?

    Book source: Your creative writing masterclass by Jurgen Wolff (featuring austen, checkov, Dickens, Hemingway, Nabakov, Vonnegut). I dug it up from a chest in a dusty room after I tried to finish reading one of my craft books today. This is the best book in my collection I think or humbly believe (what I think as a result of owning many; (+300 books on craft and counting).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyAz View Post
    I Wish More People Would Share Their Process
    It's an interesting idea, but I am not sure it translates well into a threaded discussion format. Maybe if one closed the thread and simply blogged out daily reports. But then there I've said it, right? Maybe use one's Blog for things like this?

    What does the intimate, multi-viewpoint, over-the-shoulder interface add to one's process?

    I, for one, would find ongoing dialogue about things-in-work extremely distracting, especially if I were shoveling through some difficult bits, trying to weave a coherent narrative into constraints of Theme and Style. When the going gets tough, this lightweight will find himself leaning towards dropping the keys and heading for the Tavern to chatter about simpler things, like politics. For me, for keeping me on task and track, solitude is best.

    But that's me, and that's in the first spew and the followup first drafting, etc.

    There might come a point where I'd let others participate. But that would be only with a firm Plot statement, showing the story's complete arc. And from there I want to have down in concrete the several facets of fictioning: Character sketches, Setting(s), Style decision, Point of View decision, Theme decision, Devices needed, and a few Key Scene sketches with their settings and all their goes-intas and goes-outtas.

    Once those Fictioning Things were down in concrete and available to all participants, I've the beast fairly surrounded and observers can interact with the story-in-process. They will explicitly know the constraints and thus know what can be toyed with and what mustn't be touched. (That is: It is my story, please?)

    All that is for the Type A story where I'm certain where I'm headed and am building-out the how.

    The Type B story, where I'm curious and diddling and willing to keep the Fictioning Things loose and pliable and subject to eruption and scraping off the wheel and starting over, there I'd not want other's eyes and minds involved. I feel I'd be wasting everyone's time and invested attention. Including my own. And I'd also be acutely aware I'm standing naked on the dias. And this isn't performance, isn't jazz where we riff off each others' improvisations. Or worse, "battle"; that's for Slam.

    I've been following things over in the Workshop, following the open-air reveal of your "Apparition." And I was so pleased to finally see a consolidated post (#46, on page 5 of the thread) of the entire work-in-progress, rather than glimpses of the many shards along the discussions. Having it all together really helped me see the piece as a coherent whole. The threads are interesting, but the woven cloth immensely more so. I read all 7000+ words of it and made notes, etc.

    But without a visible Plot statement, and without reference to the rest of the Fictioning Things, I am not comfortable interacting with the process. It's your story and I do not want to go heedlessly tromping through it. I'd be a locoweed-spiked jackass.

    That brings me to this: Where are we within your process?

    I sense the story is completely written; the given beginning details require a resolutely fixed ending.

    But we aren't seeing it.

    Is there a reason the end is being withheld from view?

    (I can imply an ending from the story so far and some details in the beginning -- and have some comments about that -- but this isn't my story and I don't want to guess at any part of it.)

    I know, as an innocent reader, I'd rather not have a piece's ending spoilt. And as that reader I'm ok with a serialized reveal. (It does add to my reading time, having to re-read some of that to-be-much-over 7000+ words whenever there's a mid-stream change.)

    But as put out there now, I'm also invited to be part of the construction, so I am beyond mere innocent reading and perfectly fine with knowing things ahead. Deftly fairing things into a known and desired ending is easily half the thrill and terror of writing.

    So: Is the story done and we over there in Workshop suggesting polish as the bits are revealed?

    And what is being gained by that approach?

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