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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyscars View Post
    Appease - verb - "Acceding to demands"

    Don't you think appeasement is sort of unavoidable in professional writing?

    I get not wanting to compromise on certain things. Some stuff is sacred. Otherwise it's no longer your story. Totally understandable.

    But most stuff isn't really that sacred, is it? Not if we are talking writing on a professional level. It can't be.

    The whole "smacks of appeasement" thing sounds good as a principle in a forum discussion...but are you honestly saying that if an agent or publisher or whoever it is whose approval or support you wanted told you that you had to change an aspect of your story for it to sell that you would not at least consider making the changes?

    Because that's all this is about.
    Okay, I'll do it- as long as I don't have to sleep with Harvey Weinstein.

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    Personally, I feel blessed to be living through a time when so may minorities, ethnic, racial, LGBTQ, women, and others are finding their voices. When talking about long-held, culturally ingrained, wrong-headed attitudes and biases sometimes the only effective reaction is over-reaction. I detest labels. Labels limit people to being just one thing; a leftist, a conservative, a WASP, an African American, a white nationalist, a progressive, a reactionary, and all the other labels we give ourselves and others. The world would be far better off if we could talk about the congresswoman from Michigan rather than 'the first Muslim woman' elected to congress. Labels serve only to accentuate our differences. But that's not how we tend to think, is it? Our brain is wired to accept stereotypes, and seems especially predisposed to negative ones according to recent research. https://www.theguardian.com/science/...study-suggests

    Combine that sort of biology with centuries of cultural pre-programming (the dominance of white, Anglo-Saxon males) and you end up with a very strong foundation for all the 'isims,' racism, sexism, etc. And, like any solid foundation, it's not going to be broken down and rebuilt with good intentions. It takes hammers, pry-bars, and maybe a bulldozer. And it sure isn't going to change if all we do is ignore it. Everyone has their sensitivities. Some people are, apparently, sensitive about people being sensitive.

    Words lose their impact if they are over-used, they also tend to lose their meaning and become imbued with connotations they do not intrinsically have. That's happened in this thread with the phrase, 'Sensitivity Reader.' In the space of a couple days it has gone, in some people's eyes, from being the name of a tool to some sort of political movement. Sure, some people will use any tool to advance their own agenda. The link Kyle posted is a good example of that. That doesn't make the tool itself bad.
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    I'm thinking that this 'title' should be re-branded. Instead of calling it 'Sensitivity Reader' which is clearly a trigger word. It makes people step back and think "SJW", censorship, PC, etc.

    I'm just making suggestions here with 'Beta Reader - Specialist" and tag it with words like content, context, y'all get the idea.

    Keep it in the spirit of the tasks involved but move away from the trigger words.
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    I think they should keep it the way it is. That way if people want to know what it is they can look it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MzSnowleopard View Post
    I'm thinking that this 'title' should be re-branded. Instead of calling it 'Sensitivity Reader' which is clearly a trigger word. It makes people step back and think "SJW", censorship, PC, etc.

    I'm just making suggestions here with 'Beta Reader - Specialist" and tag it with words like content, context, y'all get the idea.

    Keep it in the spirit of the tasks involved but move away from the trigger words.
    It's ironic! One job of a sensitivity reader is to point out trigger words and phrases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MzSnowleopard View Post
    I'm thinking that this 'title' should be re-branded. Instead of calling it 'Sensitivity Reader' which is clearly a trigger word. It makes people step back and think "SJW", censorship, PC, etc.

    I'm just making suggestions here with 'Beta Reader - Specialist" and tag it with words like content, context, y'all get the idea.

    Keep it in the spirit of the tasks involved but move away from the trigger words.
    Or we could just stop being triggered and try a little calm resolve instead. PC gone mad, I tells you. No I mean, literally, my PC has gone mad and it seems to be doing some sort of dump of MY clipboard to YOUR screens. Brexit. Trump. SJW. Privilege. Pronouns, that's right, I said pronouns, puh-ruh-onouns, you think they're safe, they're not safe. Sausages - especially sausages. Single mothers! Socialism! Left-wingers! Right-wingers! Threat to our democracy, that is. Snowflakes! Elites! Oh, my God, where will it all end?!

    You know things have to change when the word "trigger" itself becomes a trigger. You know the meta has got you when that happens. Fragility, pah! A snowflake's the single strongest organism on the planet.



    Edit: sorry snow leopard this wasn’t aimed at you. It was aimed at, variously, me, the world at large, and nobody in particular...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MzSnowleopard View Post
    I'm thinking that this 'title' should be re-branded. Instead of calling it 'Sensitivity Reader' which is clearly a trigger word. It makes people step back and think "SJW", censorship, PC, etc.

    I'm just making suggestions here with 'Beta Reader - Specialist" and tag it with words like content, context, y'all get the idea.

    Keep it in the spirit of the tasks involved but move away from the trigger words.
    I see where you are coming from however I think as a society we have moved to a place where rebranding alone is seen, often quite rightly, as nothing more than a Trojan horse.

    If there’s one that pisses people off more than overt “political correctness” it’s covert “political correctness” - Deception is not a good thing regardless of intent, right?

    Besides which, it dodges the bigger and far more important issue of trying to figure out how a word like “sensitivity” comes to be used as a pejorative in the first place. Shouldn’t we (as society, not as a writing forum) be trying to figure that out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcharles View Post
    Or we could just stop being triggered and try a little calm resolve instead. PC gone mad, I tells you. No I mean, literally, my PC has gone mad and it seems to be doing some sort of dump of MY clipboard to YOUR screens. Brexit. Trump. SJW. Privilege. Pronouns, that's right, I said pronouns, puh-ruh-onouns, you think they're safe, they're not safe. Sausages - especially sausages. Single mothers! Socialism! Left-wingers! Right-wingers! Threat to our democracy, that is. Snowflakes! Elites! Oh, my God, where will it all end?!

    You know things have to change when the word "trigger" itself becomes a trigger. You know the meta has got you when that happens. Fragility, pah! A snowflake's the single strongest organism on the planet.



    Edit: sorry snow leopard this wasn’t aimed at you. It was aimed at, variously, me, the world at large, and nobody in particular...

    I didn't take it as such. I liked it. It actually reminded me of the speech that Bill Murray's character has in Ghostbusters, well, a part of it…

    "Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!"

    Of course my perspective of this might have something to do with the positive mood I've been in this past week. Insomnia aside, I've been feeling pretty good, not on a mental up swing just plain positive thinking and feeling. It feels pretty good.


    Quote Originally Posted by luckyscars View Post
    I see where you are coming from however I think as a society we have moved to a place where rebranding alone is seen, often quite rightly, as nothing more than a Trojan horse.

    If there’s one that pisses people off more than overt “political correctness” it’s covert “political correctness” - Deception is not a good thing regardless of intent, right?

    Besides which, it dodges the bigger and far more important issue of trying to figure out how a word like “sensitivity” comes to be used as a pejorative in the first place. Shouldn’t we (as society, not as a writing forum) be trying to figure that out?
    I've found myself asking "how does a word like sensitivity become a trigger word?

    The synonyms are words like: compassion, sympathy, understanding, kindliness, warmth, feeling…

    And then I see those political correctness enforcers lurking about. This answers my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MzSnowleopard View Post
    I've found myself asking "how does a word like sensitivity become a trigger word?
    The synonyms are words like: compassion, sympathy, understanding, kindliness, warmth, feeling…
    And then I see those political correctness enforcers lurking about. This answers my question.
    Yeah, I find it confusing why being asked to learn ways to be understanding and compassionate enrages so many people myself. "Could you please call my husband by his legal name?" should not inspire hostile and angry rants, for example - but it has before.

  10. #210
    MOD NOTE: This thread has wandered off-topic a number of times and will now be locked for 24 hours as it seems to have run its course.
    A number of posts have been removed, some of them quite unsavoury, and we did consider taking this step sooner.

    When this thread re-opens, maybe give consideration to its original topic if you wish it to continue.


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