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    Hip-Hop is lyrics styled to match a beat.
    It can easily be considered a sub-genre of poetry when lyricism still holds out over the instrumental.
    For any non-believers, here's the lyrics to Deep Fried Frenz by MF DOOM. Look me in my computer eye and tell me that's not poetry:
    (WARNING: Heavy Language and Wisdom, viewers discretion is advised.)
    As you call 'em, they call you when they need something
    Trees for the blunt, the G's for the front
    I found a way to get peace of mind for years and left the hell alone
    Turn a deaf ear to the cellular phone
    Send me a letter or better, we could see each other in real life
    Just so you could feel me like a steel knife
    At least so you could see the white of they eyes
    Bright with surprise, once they finish spitting lies
    Asssociates, is your boys, your girls, bitches, niggas, homies
    Close, but really don't know me
    Mom, dad, comrade, peeps, brothers, sisters, duns, dunnies
    Some come around when they need some money
    Others make us laugh like the Sunday funnies
    Fam be around whether you paid or bummy
    You could either ignore this advice or take it from me
    Be too nice and people take you for a dummy
    So nowadays he ain't so friendly
    Actually they wouldn’t have made a worthy enemy
    Read the signs: "No feeding the baboon"
    Seein' as how they got ya back bleeding from the stab wounds
    Y'all know the dance, they smile in ya face, y'all know the glance
    Try to put 'em on, they blow the chance
    Never let your so-called mans know your plans
    (How many of us have them?) A show of hands
    (Friends) is a term some people use loosely
    I'm real choosy on what I choose to let crews see
    You telling me; I try to act broke
    Jealousy the number one killer among black folk
    Fellas be under some type of spell like crack smoke
    Ghetto Cinderellas, lead 'em right to your stack, loc
    Just another way a chick'll lead to your end
    I check the dictionary for the meaning of friend
    It said: person, one who likes to socialize with
    Sympathiser, helper, and that's about the size of it
    Most of the time these attributes is one-sided
    To bolster the crime, they're apt to shoot you through your eyelid
    And they can't hide it, going wild like a white bitch
    Sometimes ya need to cut niggas off like a light switch
    (Click!) And when things get quiet
    Catch 'em like a thief in the night, what a riot
    I first met Mr. Fantastik at a arms deal
    Don't let it get drastic, think of how your moms'll feel
    When it get for real, steel get to sparkin'
    Everything darken, and ain't no talkin'
    For somethin so cheap, it sure buys a lot of trouble
    Ya better off focusing than tryin to plot to bubble
    Or else it'd be a sad note to end on, the guns we got is
    (One's we can depend on, friends)
    Some come in the form of codependence
    A lot of times only end up being codefendants
    Ten bucks say they tell for a lower sentence
    And leave you up under the jail, begging for a penance
    It don't make no sense, what happened to the loyalty?
    Honor amongst crooks, trust amongst royalty
    I'd rather go out in a blaze, than give 'em the glory
    (How many of us have--) a similar story
    (Friends) before lovers, we used to have some type of over-standing
    Just so when I let her get the man thing, she know it's no strings
    We could do the damn thing, but ho, it's no rings
    Just how the tramp swings
    Will she see 'em again?
    That depends on how good was the skins and could she memorize the lessons
    It ain't no need to pretend
    Even though she let 'em stab it, she know they're just friends
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    Opinions of music are probably best taken lightly in a forum that focuses on writing. amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ned View Post
    a Freudian slip? - if you think gang culture, gun culture and sexism are worth shouting about, go for it.

    Rap died when Blondie came out with Rapture, the best ever rap song - so, the genre has descended into hip-hop.
    and with it The Black Street Boys and NWA set a high standard that has only declined.

    I really must clarify my statement. This is why I said what I said, first reply is from someone who knows NOTHING of rap, hip hop or its related genres. My friend Ted in Denver for years ran an award winning poetry night in Denver that would have to be directly related to the culture. Gang culture is absolutely a part of all our culture, as it is a culture. Agreement or decision that it is or isn't irrelevant is ... ridiculous at best. Okay rant over, back to reading the rest of the replies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunningstuff View Post
    Opinions of music are probably best taken lightly in a forum that focuses on writing. amirite?
    Not necessarily
    Especially since lyrics and music are tied together, and lyrics and poetry are as well.

    I am a poet, I write lyrics too, and I could never do that without music.

    This topic is therefore not about music per se, but rather about whether lyrics, hip hop in this case, can be regarded as poetry or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren White View Post

    Not necessarily
    Especially since lyrics and music are tied together, and lyrics and poetry are as well.

    I am a poet, I write lyrics too, and I could never do that without music.

    This topic is therefore not about music per se, but rather about whether lyrics, hip hop in this case, can be regarded as poetry or not
    Just to clarify, I agree with you. I also think that rap/hip hop/anything with an MC/.ect is absolutely and most definitely a form of poetry. The point I was making was that the statement of music came from the opinion of someone about what they consider music or not. I think the statement they made was poorly said, and even more poorly defended. Rapture is the best? by Blondie? I am no expert in rap, but I hold Swishahouse dear to my heart, and uh... so does Rice University in Houston, Texas, USA. If a University can consider holding an archive important, I would ask that the writer of that original statement I quoted also do so. Not that Universities are my idea of the end all be all of learning, but in general, they are at least considered smart enough to issue credentials that our youth use to move forward in our world.

  6. #26
    "Back in the day" I got into Ice T and Public Enemy. Later, it was Rage Against the Machine and The Coup. "Genocide and Juice", Hell yeah.
    If the writing is smart, and I can understand the lyrics, I'm in. And too much sampling (on repeat) is just plain lazy and irritating.
    Kinda related, I appreciate the artistry of spoken-word performers like Henry Rollins.
    If there's a message, and it's well articulated, I can listen. Even if I don't agree with the message. But, you got the damn mike. Say something.

    PS: It all started in NYC with Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. That was the stuff. Pure, potent, and just plain fine.

    "Now let's all agree, never to be creative again."




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    I think it depends on the song, but then again, poetry seems to be defined so loosely that anything can be poetry

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