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    Visiting Time

    Last edited by ned; May 14th, 2020 at 04:23 PM. Reason: re-boot

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    This has a very melancholy rhythm. The enjambment and stanza breaks are masterfully done.

    The stanza referencing tech language threw me out of the poem, but it is so rhythmic I'd hate to see you take it out.
    "I don't do anything with my life except romanticize and decay with indecision."

    "America I've given you all and now I'm nothing."

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    Ned, a few thoughts on a provocative poem.

    3rd stanza: remove both “with” into your image and my mind.
    4th stanza: eliminate “but”
    5th stanza: remove “and”

    Thanks for sharing.
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    As SG referenced, this seems like two poems, not well connected images. An abruptness that jars the reader out of the poem to wonder, "What?"

    I could see it ending after 4th stanza.

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    hello - thank you all for reading and commenting.

    I have edited the poem and ditched the tech verse, since it doesn't seem to chime...
    looking for an analogy too far, perhaps.
    I posted this one a bit raw, as I didn't want to overwork it........and that probably shows.

    Pel - losing the little words speeds up the voice - not really the effect I want.
    but it helps more when thoughts are given with some sort of justification -


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    I like the edit. Solid.
    "I don't do anything with my life except romanticize and decay with indecision."

    "America I've given you all and now I'm nothing."

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    When a word is used twice in one stanza, make it important and intended; removes reader doubt. Plus, as I write confessional poetry, it is always a struggle for me not to begin with the word "I", and not to overload a poem with it.

    Maybe this?:

    Only in snatches
    can I grasp
    Only in circles
    can I follow

    Same elimination of "I" on this stanza:

    where all that's felt
    is the ground beneath

    Why so impersonal on this stanza?:
    "with your image"
    (with your eyes)
    I think use of "eyes" twice would work.
    Consider another line than: "with my mind". Impersonal, again.

    I'd drop "yet", on this stanza, in order to start with strength, lose "oblivious":

    I am here
    alone inside

    I usually am not fond of questions in poems, but the theme fits. Personally, I'd end it with the question, and skip what you wrote after, which I think is your "darling" that you don't want to delete. We all have them.

    The last words written would be this, as the mono-line:

    "and, who are you?"

    Despite all my interjections, I liked it. Sas

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    hello Sas - thank you for your considered reply -

    your revision of the first verse mentions I twice - so, I'm not sure what your point is.
    my aim is to highlight the narrator's limitations.

    yet......I may have symptoms but nevertheless...........a change of focus.

    'with my mind' is impersonal?

    ok - I have restored the question to the final line - where I prefer it.

    the question asked cannot hang on its own - especially if left to the last line, can you see that?
    my 'darling' verse is merely the setup - which is required.

    thank you Squalid, for the 'solid' (can't help myself)..............Ned

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    My point on first stanza use of "I" was to not begin the poem with it. It is a pedestrian way to begin a confessional poem. I felt you could keep the use of "I" and, at the same time, make the double use of "only" stronger.

    You are an intellectual type, smiles, so I guess you see "mind" as personal. Off the top of my head, something along these lines might bring the personal connection:

    "with our life"
    (plus your/our is gained"

    Hope helpful, if not it was a good dialogue to exchange differences between poets. There are no rules in poetry. These are just mine. Best. Sas

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    hello Sas - thank you for the feedback - but this poem certainly ain't a confessional
    and there is nothing pedestrian about starting with 'I' - where did you get that idea?

    you cannot ask a poet to chop up their poem on a personal whim -
    what would Wordsworth say?

    intellectual? LOL.......thanks for that Sas..........Ned

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