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    The writing is the bricks, the grammar the mortar. The story is the design of the building - the architectural vision. The driveway is the front cover and the chimney and the waste pipes and the skips out the front show us the glorious effluent, the syntactic deluge that hints at the editing process. Each room is its own chapter; the pieces of furniture artfully-arranged paragraphs - a feng shui of fixtures and fittings bestowing semantics and meaning and voice. Font choices are window boxes positively brimming with the season's newest serifs, just blooming. See the child's play room, a veritable toy jumble in life-affirming 14pt comic sans.

    Gardens? Subplots. A flat, a condo or an apartment is a piece of flash fiction, a self-contained unit in a wider presumed backstory of common areas and service elevators - and we assemble it all over a wooden 2-by-4 framework of writerly craftsmanship sat manfully atop a solid foundation of reinforced linguistic competency (or is it competence, I'm drawing a blank).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    A house won't hold up very well without a foundation.
    That would be realistic, 3D characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcharles View Post
    The writing is the bricks, the grammar the mortar. The story is the design of the building - the architectural vision. The driveway is the front cover and the chimney and the waste pipes and the skips out the front show us the glorious effluent, the syntactic deluge that hints at the editing process. Each room is its own chapter; the pieces of furniture artfully-arranged paragraphs - a feng shui of fixtures and fittings bestowing semantics and meaning and voice. Font choices are window boxes positively brimming with the season's newest serifs, just blooming. See the child's play room, a veritable toy jumble in life-affirming 14pt comic sans.

    Gardens? Subplots. A flat, a condo or an apartment is a piece of flash fiction, a self-contained unit in a wider presumed backstory of common areas and service elevators - and we assemble it all over a wooden 2-by-4 framework of writerly craftsmanship sat manfully atop a solid foundation of reinforced linguistic competency (or is it competence, I'm drawing a blank).

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    Cute. Flawed, but cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack of all trades View Post
    Cute. Flawed, but cute.
    Well, yeah ... anything that mentions, invokes, or allows for the existence of comic sans can never be perfect.




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    There's a third consideration that was left out of the OP, IMO. It's an aspect which has been touched upon and even called out by name in this thread; the writing.

    SPaG isn't 'the writing'. It's a part of it. SPaG is part of what gives our writing its feel and texture, but only a part. What I call 'the writing' is made up of voice, tone, rhythm and pace -- not the pace of the story, that's different, but the pace and flow of the language. It's authorial voice and style.

    SPaG is a large component of 'the writing'. If you don't believe that just pick up a copy of anything written by Cormac McCarthy, or, even closer to home, look up something written by our own Jon M. But it's not SPaG, or story that really separates Hemingway from Tolkien, Poe from Palahniuk, or Clarke from Wells, it's 'the writing'. Each author's own unique voice.

    You can have a great idea with terrific characters, have every comma in just the right spot, and every word spelled correctly and still have a terrible (or bland) story if it's not told well, and that's something that can be worked on too.
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    What Terry's writing about is the persona that the writer projects, that makes you want to read the rest of the words, to trust that you're in good hands as you begin your journey. To me, that's the biggest part. And you can tell right away: YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO.





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    When I rush, my SP&G goes south. I'd love to have a story with the a couple of SP&G issues. I have that in 100 words. Well That's what I'm getting in a 100 word story place I'm on. So, thanks to all for your comments, they're appreciated and enjoyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelwrah View Post
    Iíve had advice that falls into two basic groups:

    A)Perfect spelling, grammar and punctuation is your only concern. No story can survive without it.


    B) Story trumps all. A good story can have its technical issues corrected. Adding spice to the meal after itís cooked is hard.

    Iím not implying that these arenít important but where should I spend my time? A note about me, SP&G is not very good.
    I'll vote for B. Frankly, I thing PaG is 30% of writing. But if your SPaG is horrible -- and some people have such bad SPaG that it jolts people out of the story -- then you probably can't fix it. Finish your story, then someone else will have to fix it. If you don't have a story, you have nothing.

    I don't know what you mean by "perfect". If there is such a thing, no one does it and no one cares. PaG is the bones that your story sits on, and it adds life. So effective PaG is very useful. But lots of things are useful, and no one has it all. Write the story.

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    B has my vote, too. Copy-editors can handle A if you can't.





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