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  1. #71
    Hang in there, Lee. I don't trust the medical community either, but sometimes a necessary evil - and I know a lot of people go to church to worship God but really are worshiping gold, they just won't admit it.
    "Put not your trust not in princes, in the children of men,
    in whom there is no salvation."
    Psalm 146

    Timely, isn't it?

  2. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by midnightpoet View Post
    Hang in there, Lee. I don't trust the medical community either, but sometimes a necessary evil - and I know a lot of people go to church to worship God but really are worshiping gold, they just won't admit it.
    Thank you, but I'm doing fine. My reference to medicine was how even those with "advanced education" reflect the disparities in our culture.

    The wife showed me an article in the newspaper this morning about our "live free or die" state now having a school choice law. Cracks me up that people are finding ways to get their fantasies, justifications, and manipulation into the class room. If there was material profit to be made from the Earth being flat, it would be included in the curriculum.

    Hope your wife is doing better.

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  3. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by LeeC View Post
    The wife showed me an article in the newspaper this morning about our "live free or die" state now having a school choice law. Cracks me up that people are finding ways to get their fantasies, justifications, and manipulation into the class room. If there was material profit to be made from the Earth being flat, it would be included in the curriculum.

    Are you saying that anyone who wants to choose which school to use is a flat Earth believer? An idiot? Because that's how your remarks come across, at least to me.

    Here's an article about that bill. http://www.schoolchoicenh.org/2017/0...wn-tuitioning/

    I don't see anything about flat Earth believers.

    Montessori schools, for those who may not be familiar with them, are more or less child led learning centers. Materials for various subjects are around the room for the children to use and learn from. There is generally some "class" time, when the teacher covers specific information. I have never known anyone being taught that the Earth is flat at a Montessori school.

  4. #74
    Right wing media. I notice you didn't also note the opposing viewpoints for balance. Everybody's vying for children's minds. So far humans have managed to destroy much of habitat and biodiversity that in essence sustains us. Human intelligence, like military intelligence, is an oxymoron. Nature's way of moving on to correct an imbalance, so blame it, not me.

    "It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled." ~ Mark Twain

    Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature, unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.” ~ Hubert Reeves

    Read "The Sixth Extinction, An Unnatural History" by Elizabeth Kolbert, for a balanced presentation of the good and bad of humanity. A significant portion of the population wouldn't chose a school that had such as required reading. While at it, think about how big business tried to destroy Rachel Carson because of her book Silent Spring. The fact that they didn't succeed buoys my hope in the human potential manifesting in our thinking and behavior.
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    I don't know how it is out there, but here it takes a 4.50 grade point average to get into UCLA. I know because our friend's daughter didn't make it; she only had a 4.25. He said he felt so bad for her, that she's been working so hard, 16 hr days, up til midnight sometimes, studying for the last four years.

    I bring this up to emphasize the extreme competition now it takes to get into a state university, and the pressure felt by parents to make they tried and done everything possible to allow their children the best opportunity.

    So here, when you're not wealthy, you have to judge the place you're going to live, the property values, the price you pay for your home, and factor in private school costs versus paying more monthly mortgage and being able to send your child to a decent public school. I believe it was up until last year that the rankings were published, but then our leader, Moonbeam, with all his higher learning, loftier plane awareness decided (along with the other cadres in charge) that we don't need that information.

    So then, considering that we only get once chance, should you just leave your kid in there and sacrifice for the good of all the proletariat and brotherhood of mankind, or, should you ask for your money back so you too might have a chance at the loftier planes of existence ( that is trying to give your child the opportunity to have that)? The voucher drive here has two forces: one is concerned parents. The other are private school interests. Granted the second one is corrupt. The first however consists of all types and classes. Flat earth are kooks out on the edge. As I see it they are for less education and basically irrelevant... except as a red herring.
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  6. #76
    Yes Kev, I knew you'd understand my comments on the disparities of the human condition. To me schools are a place to at least gain an awareness of the reality of the human condition and our little blue canoe at a minimum, since such is paramount to our continued existence. In reality they are more a place for producing worker bees. The latter isn't so bad if a wide range of subjects are at least available for the critical thinking students. What I have a problem with is curriculum being dictated by the Alternate Reality Coalition.

    Even with the public schools we don't go far enough. Take history for example where students memorize occasions and date, but seldom get into in-depth reality and the lessons we might learn from such. I had a more complete education in a one-room reservation schoolhouse, because it included history that the predominate culture leaves out of their teaching.

    Something that might be learned is how down through history the cultural pyramid scheme failed because it benefited only a few.

    Oh well, we are what we are, and Nature will deal with the problem in moving on to new life forms. What saddens me is how we're diminishing the quality of life of our children.

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  7. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by LeeC View Post
    Right wing media. I notice you didn't also note the opposing viewpoints for balance. Everybody's vying for children's minds. So far humans have managed to destroy much of habitat and biodiversity that in essence sustains us. Human intelligence, like military intelligence, is an oxymoron. Nature's way of moving on to correct an imbalance, so blame it, not me.

    "It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled." ~ Mark Twain

    Man is the most insane species. He worships an invisible God and destroys a visible Nature, unaware that this Nature he’s destroying is this God he’s worshipping.” ~ Hubert Reeves

    Read "The Sixth Extinction, An Unnatural History" by Elizabeth Kolbert, for a balanced presentation of the good and bad of humanity. A significant portion of the population wouldn't chose a school that had such as required reading. While at it, think about how big business tried to destroy Rachel Carson because of her book Silent Spring. The fact that they didn't succeed buoys my hope in the human potential manifesting in our thinking and behavior.

    Whoa! So much faulty info!

    1. I was responding to your remarks, which has nothing to do with media, right wing or otherwise.

    2. I notice you didn't provide anything to support your remarks. That burden lies with you not me.

    3. The school choice enables families to have more control over WHERE to send their children. It does NOT give them control over curriculum, which was your original implication.

    4. Being in favor of school choice does not mean ANY of the other garbage you are projecting onto me! If you knew my ACTUAL views on subjects, you would most likely be surprised.


    To clarify, I objected, and still object to, disparaging comments being made that are unsubstantiated. That is the limit of my point.

    There is nothing in the bill that allows for flat Earth style curriculum. School choice would, possibly, address some of Kevin's points, too.

    For that matter, keeping families tied to the school of the home location allows for more control over curriculum by whatever powers that be that concern you.

    While the current system is malfunctioning, it takes time and change to put a new one in place. One does not go from the desk to the door without walking across the floor.


    I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.

  8. #78
    Lee I couldn't disagree more with you on your assessment of todays schools. "my opinion" Teachers seldom have a grasp on reality, they are in a safe environment where they can't be fired for poor performance. They have done little to actually experience life except go to other schools taught by others who have escaped the reality of the real world, and what it takes to actually get things done. I only wished they turned out worker bees who understood how to get things done. I wish critical thinking was actually taught, that would truly pay off in an environment where a wide range of topics are taught and even more missed. You mention history, I couldn't agree more with you there.

    I would love for you to explain how a white kid ended up in a one room school house on a reservation, that sounds like a true story all in itself.

  9. #79
    Oh shit, Lee... Now you've done it. Lol.

    I've met some teachers that really knew a hole in the ground. Hereabouts they are caught up in the union finagling whether they complain or not. On the other hand, well...on the other hand I really don't know because I haven't taken a pole, analyzed any data , or done any other comprehensive anything to support whatever. I would just be going off of assumptions...

    Choice of curiculum... How bout a learning environment superior to the one to be had at the local public school? That's what the whole choice thing is here, whether it's public or private it breaks down into money. You pay more to live near the better public- , or you pay more to send them to a private, or you pay more to transport the pupil to the desired 'free' location. And by the way, I live in the largest single school district ( or is it the second?)in the country, so my opinion really carries more weight... Probably more than your combined. Lol

  10. #80
    Thanks Bob and Kev. I think you both have reasonable assessments of our education system. Basically it's like all of our institutions, with incompetence abounding, and many of the teachers furthering what they received. There are a minority of really good teachers, that are critical thinkers themselves. That they might choose the highest bidder, and a private school employer, is not surprising. I don't know of a solution for that given population growth and a material pursuit culture. So, granted many public schools are doing a piss poor job, and being the animals we are I doubt that can be fixed. But my thought is letting the alternate reality believers take the lead in change will only make things worse.

    This was a continuation of my comments about my doctor. You won't find many like him, steering me away from the whatever-it-takes-to-increase-profits crowd.

    My points of reference are the public school district my daughter teaches in, where many of the students chose environmental projects as a senior project requirement (Maine's school districts are dwarfed by California's Kev), and the other side of the coin around here and noted in more reliable news media than Fox News. The latter being attempts to integrate such as ID, one religion's bible studies, denial of our accelerating global warming, and other alternate realities in school curriculum, regardless of how subtle their attempts are. The examples are so numerous that mentioning a few would only give those supporting the agenda something to distract with. My problem with such subjects is seeing where it has gotten us. As Carl Sager and others have said, we're still thinking like we did when we lived in caves. Such is amply evidenced by the avarice and atrocities of more recent times. Where I'm coming from is instead of cramming our children's heads with the thinking that has and is causing so many problems, we should be trying to improve their objectivity and broaden their perspective so that we might continue as a species.

    Just so you know, I'm neither a right or left politico, but a naturalist that holds out hope for the human potential, even when we're shooting ourselves in the foot. It galled me greatly to vote as I did in the last election, but I wasn't ready to jump off a cliff.

    Oh, and Bob, a Shoshone family was the only one that would take in this troublesome and rebellious child when needed. I'm very thankful they did as, being an outsider to their culture and
    estranged from my own, I learned to look more objectively at human culture, and it was the beginning of better understanding the natural world. I also appreciate your comments about workers. Two summers ago I hired two young men (30s) to cut and split a pile of logs I couldn't anymore, paying them fairly as I knew how much work was involved. They took almost three weeks to do what I did alone in a week when I was seventy. They seemed to always be on their cell phones or breaks

    This all reminds me of your comments Kev, about the tadpoles in the drying pond. The vagaries of Nature scare the crap out of our insecure species. Even so, we know deep down there is something wrong with how we're handling physical life. Look at all the
    apocalyptic stories that are written

    I think Albert Einstein summed it up best.

    "A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and ...to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." - Albert Einstein


    PS: I would love to hear both your comments about the book "The Sixth Extinction, An Unnatural History" by Elizabeth Kolbert. I haven't seen where anyone here has even cracked the cover. Maybe they're afraid of what they'll read
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