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    Money is not a priority of mine personally, though I understand (how could I not) the eagerness of others to make a good living on what they love to do; Neither would I give up doing what I believe is right in storytelling to appeal to the masses. As has been said many times before (including this thread) I write for myself, and for those who agree with me. That will amount to a tight audience. But I wand badly to reach as many of them as I can: those frustrated by the difficulty of finding what appeals to them beneath the mainstream. Doing so will bring me fame (albeit less than those like King) and fortune (see above), and this might be labelled as superficial. But once I have it, I don't think I'll need much more: to give to those with a common taste something I have the talent to give, and to be loved by them... if that makes sense.
    For any who are wondering...

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    I'm far more worried about being proud of what I've written than what I'll be paid for it, and of course it's my hope that others love it like I do.

    "Life is a risk; so is writing. You have to love it." ~ Richard Matheson

  3. #73
    Gosh ViK...it's gonna be a lot quieter around here without you. You've been banned...oh dear! Anyway, though you can't read this (?) I'm thinking of you, whatever your indiscretion, and hope you survive life's stormy seas and find safe harbour. Peace of mind can't be bought don't you know... and imagination is free at source; money compromises and corrupts, even in art; hey! especially in art, it's a distraction, nothing more. Just takes a few years before the penny finally drops, I guess.
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  4. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by ViKtoricus View Post
    A. The ability to come up with something good.
    That's a qualitative judgement. (Based on opinion, in this case)

    B. The ability to write well (execution).
    A quantitative judgement. (Measurable, with clearly defined criteria)

    C. The ability to market your work.
    A quantitative judgement. (Measurable, with clearly defined criteria)


    Which of the above abilities do you think is the most important?
    The request for a judgement based purely on the opinion of the respondent.


    OK, now that these have been appropriately categorized, do you see the problem? For one, you can't compare "unlikes." So, "something good" can't be equally compared with "write well." I've read plenty of works that were written well, but still sucked... (Using "write well" in regards to general basic writing mechanics and other criteria including less quantitative, but still easily judged, abilities like plotting and the like) I've read plenty of books that were marketed well, but written poorly. I've read plenty of books that made a lot of money, but were neither... And, we all have our favorites that neither made much money or were virtually unknown in their first publishing. In short - What's the purpose of the poll when most of the questions are unrelated to each other?

    If there are general attributes that one acknowledges as being important to a writer, I would say that writing well is one of them. However, it is not critical to the success of a title and has little effect on a writer's ability to "come up with something good." If one wishes to have the greatest advantage in producing a work that will be successful in whatever category one wishes to achieve within, then writing well is an essential talent.

    In drawing from my experiences with interacting with writers on this forum, many can accomplish two out of three of the above criteria, with most frequently accomplishing them to varying degrees across their various writing projects. No book is ever the same. That's why we have so many of them.

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    I would say A and B. I assume that by coming up with something good that would include coming up with something that may be loosely based on other ideas that are already out there. It is very important to be able to get your ideas across to the reader, but if you don't have a plot you don't have anything to write. I would say that B is generally the harder to achieve, but I think A is equally important. You can have lots of fancy writing skills but if you don't have a story, or if has no direction, the book is over before you started.

  6. #76
    When I first read this thread I thought to myself: 'Wot?'

    The reasons writers write it many and various.

    Getting published is more of a lottery than a tribute to skill.

    If anyone wants to spend their life marketing a book, then get a job in marketing and get paid for it.

    Then the penny dropped, admittedly through treacle. The question is, 'why do I write?' The answer, because I enjoy it. I can also daydream about gazzilions of sales and a film tie-in with merchandising.

    Anyone can talk the game, it is the result that counts. If you have a book that is available for someone to purchase you have proof that you are not a writer, you are an author. and I salute anyone who can put that kind of effort in.

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    my thoughts are in nowdays 3) is not so important anymore, 1) is the most important and it can make up for 2).

  8. #78
    Lol. Martin, I don't think I ever replied to this thread... I didn't agree with the comment from the start:

    A. The ability to come up with something good.

    B. The ability to write well (execution).

    C. The ability to market your work.

    ...

    A writers three talents? Pfft... how about a writers traits, that will far outweigh 'talent'

    A) Effort
    B) Dedication
    C) Passion
    -sub sections A-
    A1) Studying the craft
    A2) Research for credible material
    A3) Completing the Work in Progress
    A4) Editing a complete work in progress
    -subsections B-
    B1) Making time where it was felt no time was there to be had.
    B2) Missing out on sleep to continue writing.
    B3) Accepting caffeine addiction as a cost to getting more work done.

    ***

    Admittedly, I did half jest with some of the comments, but I could go on like that all day.
    Traits, effort and time can make up for talents or lack thereof... and being an accomplished writer doesn't mean you had or even have those 'Talents'

    - Excellent execution could be an accumulation of years of practice, that hardly qualifies it as a talent but a result of dedication, study and learning.

    - The ability to come up with something good is hardly a talent... coming up with something mediocre and making it good on the other hand. Taking the mundane and making it interesting... that is something worth striving for and hard work and dedication will again make that possible. Talent can be something you are born with, hard work is a trait that I admire and do not envy though I strive to do.
    Prodigies on the other hand, claiming to do very little with excellent results - that's not something I admire, though it is enviable if it is indeed true - I still think hard works pays off better. I feel sympathy for the talented prodigy, do they get the same sense of pride and accomplishment from the seemingly little effort they put in to their work? I would much rather have the sense of accomplishment on completion than a paycheck for doing something I simply 'felt like' doing because I found it 'easy'

    - Marketing work is also dedication, time and effort and often a huge learning process etc... I don't think that's a talent at all... just like any job, time and experience will make you better at it.


    So, no I didn't agree with this from the start and never had any intention of replying to it. Decided I would now seeing as it is once again at the top of the 'recent activity' list. ^_^

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