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  1. #51
    There are good ways to critique, and not so good ways. I posted a screenplay I wrote to a script website, and got about 5 replies. Only one had anything helpful. The first one said "I couldn't get past page 5," with no other advice or tips at all. The other reviews all criticized the format (they didn't like that it was a word doc and not PDF - fair enough!), but NO comments on the actual script. One of the others actually commented on the story, but then included condescending remarks like "Don't give up kiddo! You're just starting out, you'll get better buddy!" I've been writing scripts for 10 years!!! I'm now trying to write a novel.

  2. #52
    Some writers assume that they can post a story that they can consider polished and expect colorful reviews to come flying in! This, however, is not FF.net or something where you'll recieve, "MOARRRRRR!" Not to insult fan fiction, or the fact that many talented authors enjoy it, but here at the forums, we aim for something different than the love of our favorite fandoms.

    It is my understanding that to post your work here would be with intentions of receiving constructive criticism to take into consideration, and to better your work. It is always best to have a second set of eyes to catch not only grammatical and spelling errors, but to spot flow disruption or confusion. So if I see that someone has posted an excerpt of their work, I'm only going to assume that they are seeking help. If someone were to bash me for taking my time & energy to not only read a story, but to form a thought out con-crit review, I would be not only astounded, but angry.

    OP's should realize that you ARE asking users of the forum to take time out of their day to read your work and try to HELP. They don't have to offer this help, but they choose to anyway. I would make sure to thank anyone for their suggestions and time.
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  3. #53
    Individuals such as myself are extremely conscientious and perfectionistic, and they strive to be the best. Criticism is my greatest fear, and I take any kind of pressure as criticism; this strikes in the very root of my being. That is the result of holding such a high standard in my work. If it is constructive, I will try my best to see it as positiveness on the exterior, yet alas, on the interior I always see it as negativity.

  4. #54
    There is no better way to thicken one's skin than to put your work out there and let people tear it to shreds. Placation nets you nothing, despite the pleasant feel of affirmation...

    I also find that giving others feedback helps me understand critical reading and critical thinking better. While the expertise of my crits might pale in comparison to more astute and experienced writers, I find tremendous value in the give-and-take of it all. It's a shame that portion of the site sees as little activity as it does, versus something like the lounge. It is a lot of work to produce a thought-out critique, and can be rather thankless. There again, maybe that's why I focus so heavily on the benefits to myself from providing them.

    Also, it's nice to see the work develop and improve, and the critiques I've received have helped me "get it" when I was otherwise repeating the same stupid mistakes. That, over the years, is going to help me be better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluralized View Post
    There is no better way to thicken one's skin than to put your work out there and let people tear it to shreds. Placation nets you nothing, despite the pleasant feel of affirmation...

    I also find that giving others feedback helps me understand critical reading and critical thinking better. While the expertise of my crits might pale in comparison to more astute and experienced writers, I find tremendous value in the give-and-take of it all. It's a shame that portion of the site sees as little activity as it does, versus something like the lounge. It is a lot of work to produce a thought-out critique, and can be rather thankless. There again, maybe that's why I focus so heavily on the benefits to myself from providing them.

    Also, it's nice to see the work develop and improve, and the critiques I've received have helped me "get it" when I was otherwise repeating the same stupid mistakes. That, over the years, is going to help me be better.
    I couldn't have put it better myself, Pluralized. I don't know how I survived the gaming forum I first put my work on, but I came out stronger... or less sane. Either way, good for a writer.
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  6. #56
    I can understand why some people may react to criticism on this site the way they do. When I posted my first piece here I was getting critiques on things I didn't even think could be wrong with a piece, or at least don't think of. Pacing, verb tense, too much explanation of detail, etc. When confronted with stuff like that all at once it can be overwhelming especially if you don't have any formal creative writing instruction (like I haven't).

    Don't get me wrong, it's not an excuse to use insults, as hominem, or defiance in response to reasonable, polite critiques, just a possible reason.

  7. #57
    I always try to thank crits, even if I don't always agree I still take their opinion on board.

    I post with two intentions:

    1. I want to know how it made you feel, what it made you think, whether or not you enjoyed it or would enjoy it if it was written better.
    2. What am I doing wrong with my writing, why do I never feel satisfied with it, why does my work need editing when I confidently help other people with their work?
    - Essentially, how can I improve my own writing.

    If I posted a short story so badly written that you would have to re-write the whole thing to explain what I did wrong... I might cry with happiness that someone made the effort.

    Point: What's the point of sharing on a writers forum if you don't want it judged? There are blogs you can do that on. Post it in "notes" on facebook, twitter it, make a site of your own...

    I hate having stuff I am proud of get bad crits, but I still take in what they say. The problem then, I want to delete the original thread and post it up fresh after revision and have it re-reviewed... To fix the dent in my pride with approval from those who rejected it.
    (but I feel cheeky doing that and I don't.)

    Feel free to crit my stuff anytime Lee.

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    I'm not sure if what I have to say here is germane to the subject, but I have always felt that, on balance, words fail. I'm not superstitious, so I don't believe that going into a story necessarily requires me to be wholeheartedly brave about it. Bravery can get a person into some very stupid situations, I think. I go in realizing that no matter how I try, the words will ultimately fail to capture what it is I truly want the reader to see, or to take away from the story.

    Some people read critically at all times. Some people are more interested in the atmosphere of the story, and have a high tolerance for mistakes. Others can be completely turned off by a piece because it contains a misuse of a word, or contains a psychological trigger in a phrase. (Many people are triggered by a scene or an idea.) So it is reasonable, to me, to believe that words will always fail. But they can get close, and they can be beautifully crafted into a mesmerizing tale.

    Critiques are an essential part of writing, unless the writer is a) not at all interested in anyone reading their work, or b) is a snowflake prince or princess who is only looking for praise.

    It can be a rough road in either direction. If you have ever acted or performed on stage, then you might know what I mean by 'it's like dancing in boiling water'.
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    I don't mind harsh critics but when they don't actually tell me how to fix my work that's what I don't like. Or when I get two critiques that say completely opposite things.

  10. #60
    I would appreciate someone taking the time to thoughtfully comment on my work, and if I don't like what they have to say, that is up to me to consider whether it does have merit, and could possibly make my work better. I'm new to this forum, and though I think criticism for you creative babies can be often hard to swallow, we as writers have to try to step away from our emotional attachment and consider the problems with the piece (as they all will have) and fix them. Thanks for your critiques...they should be appreciated, not met with harshness. I hope to get some good advice when I post my own fiction. Don't let the defensive ones deter you (:

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