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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefspider View Post
    @angel101 thank you! that has helped me, I have a better understanding of how you create and decipher them

    @Squalid Glass lol I understand the meaning of metaphor, just not how to create one, or recognize them in other pieces - but after angel101's explanation I have a better understanding
    Saualid

    Read my center portion about the conceit in my essay on the metaphorical. It is completely written in a metaphorical presentation. If you understand its clarity you understand the metaphors. If you understand the metaphors you know how much you already use them in your daily language usage. The language itself is not free of metaphors. But understand too that they are figures of speech in a way that suggests far more than what is said. You do this all the time with your friends and family, you might even have references to an inside joke and those too are metaphors. You need to stop thinking that metaphors are something you don't understand at all, for they are common place. True, poetry can use more complicated forms of metaphors but nonetheless we all use them ever day. Ciphering them is common place, if you know there construction tear them apart for yourself. But generally it's just a matter of reading the images for feeling rather than meaning. The bigger confusing being the poems have meaning. Well they don't at all. The instill meaning in another. Which something very different. Art or all kinds is emotional content and not meaning, meaning in yourself is on derived from the art process. Example:

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    He says, "hand me the socket wrench"; she says "what's a socket wrench?". He says, the one with the with a cup at right angles to the handle.

    Oh-oh he just used a metaphor, sockets are not cups as she sees cup on the table. This might be a loaded statement for her. Or can she actually make the leap with all the other information given about the tool in all his statements? If so, she hands it to him.

    This is exactly how the metaphor should work in a poem as well. The reader needs to see the poem as a complete field to itself; it has its own reality. That it is all the given information including the depth of the metaphor. The reader isn't allowed to give more text to the poem; they have to stick to what has been given. So everything inside the metaphor refers to everything outside the metaphor. This is why it is said a metaphor has two sides. Even a simple metaphor or simile has two sides. A likeness, a comparison or an antithesis is taking place.
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    Figurative use of language becomes more entangled, but it all still has to be there inside the complete poem or inside the specific metaphor; if in fact the metaphor is doing its job. If it isn't at all then there is a problem with the poem and its metaphor.

    As a fellow writer in any workshop I would call someone on their intent if the metaphor wasn't working for me. I would want to know why? Two things can come out of this that are positive. You learn more, or they realize they need to fix something in the poem or the metaphor itself inside the poem.

    In this assumption of course they could both be egotistical idiots and ignore all of it; thinking they know everything to known about poetry. I've been at it for over 60 years and I'm still learning about poetry as I write it. I call that just wanting to be the real poet.

    Well maybe they know everything about poetry, excluding Einstein's theory of relativity. We wouldn't wish to press the idiots too far in such dilemmas in a workshop. For then it could become far more personal rather than "constructive sharing" with "creative insights" to allow both to grow.
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    Beyond the example above Realize to grow you first must make yourself vulnerable to the new information. In your case, you mastered the first problem already by identifying it as understanding metaphors. If you can't do that and then experiment with it; you won't learn anything about metaphors. So you have to become the writer of metaphors to learn more. A group workshop is what is called for, there. You want feedback from different sources. This doesn't mean giving up your right to self awareness at all. For in fact it expands it, with even more responsibilities to yourself and all others.

    For every poet needs an audience or else there is no show and no music. In truth the best poets wrote for everyone else even those they disliked while maintaining their personal voice. None of them got to the top by accident, for poetry is the most underpaid art there is, and the poet has to work as hard to obtain his his audience, as he works at writing at his best. For the merit is found in the eyes of the audience. They are what makes poetry one of the humanities, and all the arts are the humanities. That means sharing personal human experience with others is common place to all art. You can be yourself, and still share who you are. In fact it is quite easy. So writing for "yourself" is chewed bubble gum under the desk top. You only need to retain your personal voice in all the arts. That deals with style and technique nothing identifies who you are more inside artistic form as these two things. We look at a Van Gogh and we know it's a Van Gogh. We read Dylan Thomas and we know its Dylan Thomas. Everything else is chewed bubble gum and self masturbation as ego. Writing for yourself is the easiest thing in the world to debunk because its all about ego. And the greatest poem in the world doesn't need an ego to stand on to tell us all something truly unique and individual as a human experience. The author does not have to be known to make it memorable and emotionally moving.

    The three basic characteristics of poetry.
    (This is why you need to know how to write metaphors as the poet.)
    1. music as vocal sound.
    2. the metaphorical use of language.
    3. form/content as a single unit.

    a poet friend
    RH Peat

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    He says, "hand me the socket wrench"; she says "what's a socket wrench?". He says, the one with the with a cup at right angles to the handle.

    Oh-oh he just used a metaphor, sockets are not cups as she sees cup on the table.
    Would this be a metonym rather than metaphor?
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