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  1. escorial's Avatar
    humans give animals names..killer whales an such but do you think they think man i'm not a killer..i just do my thing..were all failures
  2. Smith's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bayview
    Yeah, I agree with Smith - I didn't see anything about publishing in that quote from Holly Lyle.

    In general, I think it's important to keep your own goals clearly in mind in writing. If you're writing for pleasure, then periodically stop and make sure that writing gives you pleasure. If it doesn't, you should either change something or quit. If you're writing for publication and aren't getting published after a reasonable amount of time, you should either change something or quit.

    Goals. If you meet them, great. If you don't meet them, figure out why, and then figure out what to do about it.
    Totally agree. I'm somewhere in the middle; I'm not a sadist, looking for a career that I'll hate.

    However, my understanding is that when your dream is to be published (such is mine), it's not a cakewalk. People are going to tell you to quit, or will be disinterested at best. You might think about quitting, or have that voice in the back of your head telling you to give up, which I totally sympathize with "Green" .

    I myself expect a hard road ahead of trial and error, long days and nights with my nose to the grindstone, lots of failure, doubt, with absolutely no guarantee of success. But, I do still enjoy coming up with ideas. Brainstorming. Bringing my imagination to life as best I can with words on a page. Trying to communicate a message in an entertaining way. And it's such a rewarding experience when people connect with and enjoy what you're doing. It isn't all doom and gloom.

    At the end of the day I still believe I have something important to say, and I believe that nobody can say it the way that I can. That's what keeps me going. It's a covenant I've made between myself and fate.

    I agree with your sentiment here Green. Just thought I'd point out that, to me, the quote didn't seem to be saying what you may have thought it was.
    Updated August 7th, 2017 at 12:13 AM by Smith
  3. Bayview's Avatar
    Yeah, I agree with Smith - I didn't see anything about publishing in that quote from Holly Lyle.

    In general, I think it's important to keep your own goals clearly in mind in writing. If you're writing for pleasure, then periodically stop and make sure that writing gives you pleasure. If it doesn't, you should either change something or quit. If you're writing for publication and aren't getting published after a reasonable amount of time, you should either change something or quit.

    Goals. If you meet them, great. If you don't meet them, figure out why, and then figure out what to do about it.
  4. Smith's Avatar
    Maybe I misunderstood the quote, but: "If we never wrote, we'd be grounded, and look back years later with regret for a time when we had wings."

    Paraphrasing obviously from your post, but that doesn't sound like she's saying "don't write as a hobby".
  5. escorial's Avatar
    It's your world in your head an expressing that is cool...
  6. mrmustard615's Avatar
    To be honest, I consider myself a liberal, and I was very appalled by Kathy Griffin's stunt, not because she was attacking the great Donald, but I remember those lovely captions of beheaded kidnap victims by Al Queda wannabes in Iraq. Whatever your position might have been on the Iraq war, those 'warriors' were pretty sick. Griffin, frankly, seemed to stoop right at their level.

    And yeah, there's a lot of hypocrisy to go around in both parties so I won't go there.

    Yes, sometimes when you do lash out at the world, you do risk the danger of saying something that will offend one or more groups of people. As a christened Catholic (though an agnostic in reality), I know not all Catholics are gay haters so to speak. I mean look at the present Pope if you want proof of that. And if you're on a platform such as Kathy Griffin, a misstep can cause a great hit on your reputation, so you do have to think before you blurt out something you may regret.

    But at the same time, you can't beat yourself up either. If you do screw up, you own up to it as you have and you move on. If people are unable to accept the apology, we'll that's on them.

    I do know people who are essentially mad at the world and I can't think of one that is a happy person. So, no, you don't want to end up in that state of mind. If things aren't going your way, I guess you cope with it and move on. I said this somewhere else but it's meaningless to feel safe if you aren't free... or happy.

    So I guess if you can't fire your very conservative boss, maybe try to ignore his ramblings and do the best you can with what you can control.
  7. kaminoshiyo's Avatar
    It does make me laugh how democrats consider themselves to be the moral exception to politics. Not that take sides at all, it's just that I noticed democrats always wine about morality and such from that cross of theirs. The political democrats are just as crooked and conniving as the republicans.
  8. am_hammy's Avatar
    Sometimes it's just too much and sometimes you just gotta expel all that energy. Might not always come out right, but it happened and you expelled and now you reflect and move on. Trust me, I know what it's like to feel the lashing out and when it all builds up that you pretty much explode.

    Reflect, breathe, and move forward. Easier said than done, I know, but I still gotta say it anyway. You got this.
  9. 1Zaslowcrane1's Avatar
    Your critique might help me hone my skills and actually get an agent and maybe make some sales.
    A writer who writes and doesn't try to sell his/her work may want to rethink the process. If you don't share what you've created, it'd be more effecient to just masturbate...Probably feel better too.
  10. 1Zaslowcrane1's Avatar
    I have an idea.
    I have a lot of stories and I'm looking for an agent.
    Why don't I send you some of my stories and you give me your honest opinion?
  11. The Green Shield's Avatar
    Well, I would critique it chapter by chapter pointing out what she did well and what she did poorly. I'm not gonna pull an Angry Videogame Nerd​ and rant about how it sucked so hard.
  12. escorial's Avatar
    only one way to find out dude...
  13. Schrody's Avatar
    As long as your critiques are constructive (not typical reviews like "this sucked", or made to intentionally hurt the author) and thorough, I'd say give it a go. Hell, if I were published, I'd offer you my book myself
  14. H.Brown's Avatar
    Also just because you didn't like the book doesn't mean that others don't or won't like it, I agree with 1Zaslowcrane1, just say you did not like said book as I think (IMOO) that it is unfair to potentially putting others off something because you yourself hates it. Hope this helps Green Shield.

    H
  15. 1Zaslowcrane1's Avatar
    Ummm, initially, this feels like a bad idea
    1) Think of how this person will feel if he/she finds out. Maybe better to just say "it's horrible"< and move on.
    2) If you had some angle, like a point by point of why it failed as opposed to just harping on it's lameness, it would be better.
    3) maybe make it funny?
    Otherwise, how would you like someone doing that with your work?
  16. bdcharles's Avatar
    Write some of your interpretation and if I like what I see, I'll stick around...
  17. Theglasshouse's Avatar
    I think despite my skills performance and efforts that have been here and there.That it's the best to schedule time in the morning. As programming time is important to time management for writing. On some days I feel a but of guilt finding time management at night. It's battling with the clock and my ego. For example, I need to exercise regularly. By 6:30 I will have free time, eat dinner, and that's considered cramming time as in little time for me. I have to do the rest of my obligations, and I end up at 8:00. Which is the only time I can write. But lifestyle is important, you need to schedule time to take care of yourself. I glanced at 4:00 and made it a goal to exercise at 5:00. Since I am sensitive to digestion problems and an elliptical bicycle can be strenuous exercise for me. Even logging off and on the computer can be a chore for me since its hard to get a conversation going with family to make sure I have managed to isolate a bit unintentionally since technology makes them into "zombies" if you will. And you need to stay exercising or one day if you seem to be overweight you'll get health problems.
  18. kaminoshiyo's Avatar
    I don't think opportunity in America can be gauged by who becomes president or not.

    Just because a Black guy...a hick...or whomever becomes president, doesn't mean anything has really changed for the broader majority.
  19. Smith's Avatar
    Some of the founding fathers were businessmen. Some were farmers too. Many were lawyers, but that doesn't necessarily equate to political experience either. Some were slave-owners. I don't think political experience or being holier-than-thou are necessarily the best qualifiers for a candidate (this is my opinion).

    But you are right that Trump proved we don't have to accept the options that the government attempt to pre-ordain for us.
  20. midnightpoet's Avatar
    This campaign was ugly from both sides; the media, especially on the internet, constantly viewed Trump AND his voters as dumb racists and I think a lot of people were turned off by this arrogant assumption. Then again, many Trump supporters weren't angels either. I wish we would learn that negative campaigning is a bad idea - I don't remember much about the issues.

    One good thing that might come of this is more people getting involved.

    What you sow in anger, you will reap in sorrow. Peace, brothers and sisters.
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