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  1. Stygian's Avatar
    I couldn't agree more. Free speech should be universal. Anybody should be able to say whatever they want. I may dislike every word, but I would be glad to defend someone's right to say it. If we start arbitrarily censoring people based off the moral compass if the most charismatic cult leader social influencers, we will end up with no meaningful discussions.

    A great example is the whole climate issue in Canada. Regardless of which side of the climate change debate you're on, 37 million people can not make any meaningful change to GLOBAL emissions. We could shut off our heating in winter, stop driving cars, and still not make a dent in CO2 global emissions. When I try to start this conversation, I get labeled as the reincarnation of Hitler for daring to challenge the hive mind lol
  2. Neetu's Avatar
    I don't know, Winston, that what we deem as the freedom to speak freely should be carelessly and wantonly used to whip up anger and hate. After all, speeches have been used to spread violence and powerful people have moved angry crowds (e.g. Hitler, known to most) to perform heinous acts. Words can be an extremely effective tool to have damaging impact on masses. To use such freedom with recklessness (on both sides of the aisle, or all sides of the aisle, for that matter) is abuse of freedom of speech, not responsible use of that freedom.
    And don't we teach our children when they are young to speak kindly, respectfully to others? If not, we should. Not just teach or preach but actually practice that simple wisdom that words do hurt, words inflict pain, words also heal.
  3. escorial's Avatar
    How free are you...
  4. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by escorial
    what would your ten commandments be.....
    Thou Shall Not Be a D Bag.
    I'd repeat it ten times. Maybe it would finally stick.
  5. escorial's Avatar
    what would your ten commandments be.....
  6. MzSnowleopard's Avatar
    Powerful words. I wonder if God regrets giving us the gift of free will. Look what we've done with it!
    Updated August 4th, 2019 at 02:32 AM by MzSnowleopard
  7. Neetu's Avatar
    A sort of reverse discrimination seems to be the case here. Like Affirmative Action. It's a rather unfortunate result of an unfair society which can't seem to balance itself on the right standards.
  8. Kevin's Avatar
    When Jr was in jrrotc the females there earned it. They went by grades and other measurable achievements. Chief and Commander were not namby-pamby sjws ; quite the contrary, so those girls had earned it. It was a culture of its own and the ratios did not reflect the school in general in multiple ways ; for instance lots more Asians than the regular school population. They also had the kids spinning rifles Fer chrissakes. That is not something any west coast public school would otherwise ever do and it was because rotc was not run by the district; it was navy ( at our school).
  9. Kevin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by escorial
    Who owns your country...
    the luminarians ...
    im creating a mercury/ old battery dump in my back yard. 50$ per load dump fee to anyone who is interested.
  10. escorial's Avatar
    Who owns your country...
  11. Plasticweld's Avatar
    When you truly live in a rural area... it means your neighbors have every right to do stupid shit, and things you don't agree with. Most people from the city or even suburbia have a hard time with the concept that what the other guy does, is none of your business. When you get rural areas that are run by those from some place else...smarter than all the locals, it does not take long for it to no longer be rural or what you chose to escape to in the first place. "Freedom means the other guys gets to do what he wants even if you disagree with him" The level of freedom that most are comfortable for most people is unusually small, in my experience.
    Any place with land use laws is not rural and not free.
  12. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by escorial
    Nirvana for sale
    We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children

    On my future acreage, I plan on a modest-sized house, only level and clearing enough for a garden and shed.
    I might do some brush removal for a walking trail. And yes, clear some space for a rifle range. Pew-pew.

    In the Seattle area (& WA State) they have to have laws to prevent D-Bags from clear-cutting their property. Denuded land causes slides, destroying the land and sometimes killing people. But folks today are so damn stupid, we need to have laws for what should be common sense.
    I just wanna live semi-off "the grid". Solar panels, rainwater reclamation and growing some of our own food. I'm not removing 100 trees so I can plant some vanity lawn and garden.

    Contrast this with where I used to live in Northern California. All the Nouveau Riche jerks from Silicon Valley moved into our pastoral community and built McMansions. Bulldozed the apple trees that had been there for 150 years and planted grapes. Out with the cows, in with the llamas.
    Even if I had that kind of money, no way. Not my thing. I don't feel the need to "terraform" my own planet.

    Esc, legally I'll own it, but in reality it's just a long-term lease. And I, for one, respect the landlord.
  13. escorial's Avatar
    Nirvana for sale
  14. Kevin's Avatar
    having had both ... Less neighbor's is much better than more. Wife one time said something about selling and moving into a condo. Uh-uh. I told her she'd be living without me then.
    Don't know what the building codes are up there but if you can build yourself a post and beam roof structure/pavilion, with a slab under it, stack rice hay bales as exterior walls, stucco them, then bob's your uncle.
    Uncle Bob, I occasionally visit and at times come bearing gifts of exotic and delicious foods. I would hope that you or some of your others are not just meat and potato types. Mmm-boy. Winston, you too.
  15. Plasticweld's Avatar
    Winston, reading your piece lets me appreciate where I live even more. I tell people I live in my retirement home, I bought when I was 22 an old run down house in the best part of town. A creek and waterfalls in the back yard, no neighbors within half a mile, a rifle and pistol range right off the back porch. I can yell at my wife, no one can hear. I can go swimming naked, not that anyone would care, but there is no one who can watch. I don't have see what the neighbors are doing, they don't care what I am doing.

    The plus side of having neighbors so far away is that it lets us be close. We do have to count on each other, we all look after each others homes. I take care of my neighbors out door wood stove when their gone, they take care of mine. If something goes wrong here the first call is to a neighbor, not the police. I like where I live, because I like who I live next to. I like them even better because I don't have to put up pretend fences to keep them out, but can always welcome them and be glad to see them when I do, cause it ain't that often.
    Updated June 15th, 2019 at 07:24 PM by Plasticweld
  16. Stygian's Avatar
    I'm an equal opportunity asshole, I will laugh at any and everyone getting hit with things for not paying attention. I expect nothing less if it's me getting nuked with a baseball/frisbee/soccer ball. That said, I don't have any kids, though if I did, I would put some effort into being more present in the moment to avoid getting nuked by a ball.

    P.S. If you want to discard the remnants of your hope for humanity, look no further than the parent fist fights that go down in kid's hockey games.
  17. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Plasticweld
    Common sense, not so common anymore. Nicely written, I hope you feel as good after writing it, as I did after reading it.
    Catharsis.
  18. Plasticweld's Avatar
    Common sense, not so common anymore. Nicely written, I hope you feel as good after writing it, as I did after reading it.
  19. Stygian's Avatar
    Haha "He had chainsmoking down to an art." I'm stealing that line.
  20. tinacrabapple's Avatar
    Well told!
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