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  1. midnightpoet's Avatar
    Oh I should have said any firearm/
  2. midnightpoet's Avatar
    I know the issues on this, I do believe (and this is common sense) that there a bunch of people out there (including law abiding citizens) who have no business owning a handgun. The problem becomes how the heck can you fix that? You can't. Training classes shouldn't be a problem, yet you have training classes to pass drivers test, and the ones that pass forget everything they've learned when they get behind the wheel. The whole issue is a conundrum, but don't think there's a single law on the books that actually solves all the problems. Yet politicians keep trying to push that rock up the hill with their nose.
  3. Neetu's Avatar
    Yes, I was assuming they would be quieter like the electric cars. After all, if a Tesla drives so silently, why wouldn’t an e-bike. And you’re right - all that noise is totally unnecessary to the enjoyment of the ride. Probably better for the ears too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston
    They are almost silent. It's a real different experience from riding a legacy bike. You hear the hum of the motor and the tires on the road, and of course the wind. If you want to experience where you ride, instead of forcing it to experience you, electric bikes are for you.
    Now, there's an old school trope about "loud pipes save lives". To me, that's always been nothing more than old guys wanting to make noise, having an excuse to make noise. "Look at me! I'm cool!".
    I've seen guys on quiet bikes get hit, and guys on loud bikes get hit. You could blast a fog horn every 5 seconds and motorists still won't see you. Drivers today are more inattentive than at any point in automotive history.
    Will having a loud bike help? Maybe, maybe not. There's no empirical evidence. But what does help is being an active rider, and being alert. That's easier on a quiet bike.
    I'd rather focus on my riding than delude myself with the panacea that everyone can hear my bike, so I'm safe. But to each their own.
  4. Plasticweld's Avatar
    [B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=q_serif]While 374 people were killed using rifles such as the AR-15 in 2016, 656 were killed using what the FBI calls “personal weapons” like fists, hands and feet. This includes physical altercations and incidents of pushing. Another 472 people were killed that year using a blunt object. The FBI lists hammers and clubs as examples


    [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#333333][FONT=q_serif]What we need is hammer and club control. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333][FONT=q_serif][/FONT][/COLOR]
  5. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Neetu
    Are they quieter than the other regular motorcycles?
    They are almost silent. It's a real different experience from riding a legacy bike. You hear the hum of the motor and the tires on the road, and of course the wind. If you want to experience where you ride, instead of forcing it to experience you, electric bikes are for you.
    Now, there's an old school trope about "loud pipes save lives". To me, that's always been nothing more than old guys wanting to make noise, having an excuse to make noise. "Look at me! I'm cool!".
    I've seen guys on quiet bikes get hit, and guys on loud bikes get hit. You could blast a fog horn every 5 seconds and motorists still won't see you. Drivers today are more inattentive than at any point in automotive history.
    Will having a loud bike help? Maybe, maybe not. There's no empirical evidence. But what does help is being an active rider, and being alert. That's easier on a quiet bike.
    I'd rather focus on my riding than delude myself with the panacea that everyone can hear my bike, so I'm safe. But to each their own.
  6. Neetu's Avatar
    I haven't seen an e-bike yet, anywhere on the roads around me, but they sure sound like a ride in the right direction. Are they quieter than the other regular motorcycles?
  7. escorial's Avatar
    Near by the main road leads to the beachfront and weekends waiting at the traffic light one often comes across groups of bikers mostly on new superbikes but through the week one tends to see lone middle class hells angels with the shiny dark bike with all the leathers helmet and beard....but there all abit polished and clean and the most anti social thing they done was vote in the brexit referendum..but hey everyone is allowed me time..I for one spent years on dating sites being international drug Baron or eccentric record producer but when the dates come of I would get confused which part to play...the only one I knew was not to be myself...so each to their own...
  8. Kevin's Avatar
    Mm... How much noise do them there e-motorbikes make anyhow? Stealth is important in my line of work. Stealth and a place to stow the money bags and a gat quickly- and quickly get away.
  9. Gofa's Avatar
    Oh dear how sad never mind I remember the neighbor in Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
    nice looking bike I googled
    as to centre stands I took mine off Some beer crates are just a perfect fit
  10. Plasticweld's Avatar
    I would hit like for this except for the ending...Any man who would talk about an electric motorcycle is abomination. The roar of a engine, the smell of burning gas and the politically incorrect image of a biker is what it is all about.... I think deep down you really wanted a scooter and had to settle for the CTX 700.
  11. Neetu's Avatar
    It's very sad, isn't it? The developed world's only country that has to think about armor for little children going to school among the other things you've listed.
  12. escorial's Avatar
    I've recently finished a biography of Mussolini....he was honest/dishonest... truthful/liar...he likend the Italian race to a herd who needed to be told what to do...I'm afraid as Lincoln said...most men can handle adversity bit if you want to test his character give him power....so true in the duce case but up until then I was kind of agreeing with him...odd to think on the same lines as these people but I have never had power...
  13. midnightpoet's Avatar
    Can you change people's attitudes, more importantly their hearts, their very souls? Can you change human nature? That's basically what Jesus was trying to do, but man, even Christians, have failed him. Don't assume that all liberals are evil any more than all conservatives are evil. These are horrible fallacies that are ruining the very fabric of human existence - and not just this country, but worldwide. Many may not agree with this, but if we all continue on this path ,we are doomed. My God forgive us all.
  14. Plasticweld's Avatar
    I can't throw stones...you remember this little gem I wrote
    [URL="https://www.writingforums.com/threads/174529-Politics-and-Thanksgiving-718-words?highlight="][B]Here[/B][/URL]

    I don't see the divide ending in anything but bad. I view liberals as those who hate anything good any only seek to destroy. Hypocrisy, deception and mis information the key to them promoting their twisted agenda. How do you deal with someone who claims to be intelligent, yet has no knowledge of history, a complete lack of common sense and any sense of morality.

    The good news is that I am far better armed, far better trained and willing to suffer far more discomfort to stand by my beliefs.

    Good essay.
  15. escorial's Avatar
    Yeah man...footloose one of my fav movies
  16. Winston's Avatar
    esc, I like your little one-line drive-bys. Many are quite insightful.

    As an individual, everyone has basic rights and responsibilities. The current political trend is a vain attempt to try to divorce the two. Everyone now has every "right" imaginable, from paid vacation to free cell phones. And someone else pays for it. In the US, citizens have access to good quality higher education. But no one has the individual responsibility to pay for it. Our citizens are lied to and told that it is the responsibility of their parents, rich people or the government to pay for an individual benefit that they receive. Same goes for all consumer debt. In Canada, a bunch of Chase customers just had all their credit debt forgiven. Today, if you are moral, and pay the bills you owe, you are a sucker.
    Society is sick. It is being made sicker by opportunistic scumbag politicians that play off of people's worst vices, fear and greed.

    So for me, esc, Freedom is an individual "thing". Mob rights only lead to tyranny and oppression. If I end up the last honest, virtuous citizen, so be it.
    But, feel free to join me. I'd like that.
  17. escorial's Avatar
    Can you do that as an individual or is it a mob thing
  18. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by escorial
    Free at last,free at last...God Almighty free at last....will you ever get to shout that in your lifetime...
    Freedom is a process, a mindset and a lifestyle. It is not a place you get to and kick-back. It is work. Never-ending labor. But it's worth it.

  19. escorial's Avatar
    Free at last,free at last...God Almighty free at last....will you ever get to shout that in your lifetime...
  20. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by escorial
    Leo Sayer singing dressed as a clown was moving
    As long as he was shuffling. Lido.
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