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  1. dither's Avatar
    Sometimes you just have to let people be. My problem with relatives is that they won't stop talking, it's as though they can't bear, FEAR almost, silence. I'm not a talker. Once we've done he "hello how are yous" I'm happy to sit quietly and listen to the others but they WILL go on. It's like, where's the off switch?
  2. Winston's Avatar
    Update: I ended up visiting her on Christmas Eve.

    She was trying so hard to be nice. I mean' it wasn't fake at all, but it kinda made me sad. I just know that she can't maintain that level of functional civility. At one point, we were talking about my deceased mother, and my psycho sis began seething when the subject of her jewelry (and it's disposition) came up. She reigned it in, but that nastiness is always below the surface. And my family doesn't deserve to have it unleashed on them by her. Ever.

    I'll see her again, just not soon (if I can help it). We tried helping her before, and we may again, but I doubt it. She is who she is.
    I love her. I just don't trust her.
  3. dither's Avatar
    Winston,
    I have/had two brothers and two sisters, I'm the oldest, often wish that I weren't but there you. My oldest brother died recently, oh dear, I'd forgotten about that already, had to edit in the "had". We didn't get on, no love lost there. My youngest sister moved away many years ago, no love lost there either. The other two, I 'm okay with but I wouldn't care if I never saw them again.

    I refuse to think of myself as bad, or particularly good actually, I'm just me, making my own way as best I can without the hubbub.

    We're not bad Winston, we're just different.
  4. escorial's Avatar
    most will not accept they live mediocre lives and find conflict with others as a release from themselves....
  5. Kevin's Avatar
    Mm... I may have mentioned that a few years ago my wife finally had enough and told my sister she'd rip her effing head off. We haven't seen her since. Jr. gave her (his mom) the fist bump, after. Still brings a tear to my eye.
  6. Kevin's Avatar
    Jet setters to give up jets - nobody
  7. Winston's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Biro
    Old Dr Spock was telling us about the worlds destruction in 1978 when .....wait for it......'SCIENTISTS' ........yes ......'SCIENTISTS'........were trying to scare us to death because all of their evidence collected was telling them we are all doomed because of...............an impending ....'Ice Age'.

    T'was only 40 years ago!!!

    Talk about blowin hot & cold.
    Well, we know Vulcans can't lie. But they can be wrong. Just like well compensated, tenured "public servants" that have significant skin in the game.
  8. escorial's Avatar
    Armchair prophet...
  9. Biro's Avatar
    Old Dr Spock was telling us about the worlds destruction in 1978 when .....wait for it......'SCIENTISTS' ........yes ......'SCIENTISTS'........were trying to scare us to death because all of their evidence collected was telling them we are all doomed because of...............an impending ....'Ice Age'.

    T'was only 40 years ago!!!

    Talk about blowin hot & cold.

  10. escorial's Avatar
    But what about the WF prophets...can they not save us
  11. Biro's Avatar
    'No Blade Of Grass' 1970............A film from a book written 15 years earlier. About pollution and world starvation.

    'Yellow Taxi' 1970..............Joni Mitchell.......Song about cars and building every where 'Urbanisation'

    'Crazy Horses' 1972............The Osmonds............Song about pollution.

    'This Town Aint Big Enough For Both Of Us' 1974.........Sparks.......Song about over population.

    'Never turn your Back On Mother earth' 1974..............Sparks...........song about the destruction of the planet by humans.

    'Burn Baby Burn' 1974...........Hudson & Ford..........Song about the burning of the rain forests.

    'Mama Nature Said' 1973.......Thin Lizzy.......Song about destroying planet.

    Just a few of the things I remember from my early teenage years when it was popular then to bang on about the environment and I believed to be all true back then and worried me to death.

    The movement faded away for about 10 years or more when they told us the ice caps would melt if we didn't stop using deodorant because the ozone layer (we had never heard of) was depleted and if the ice caps didn't melt we would have to stay indoors.

    Since then people have discovered a way to make mega bucks from all this. Even worse corrupt political people have realised a way to tax hard workers even more to line the pockets of themselves and friends.

    Some species since then have gone or are in trouble. Since the early 70's the population of the planet isnt far off doubling.

    The answer it seems is just to tax people or take away their wealth some other way. Nobody restricts babies or offers out free contraception which 'is' the cause of all the stuff they keep banging on about.

    Now we have young Greta at 16 who knows it all and how we all must live and we must listen too and change our lives now!!!!.

    If she was just a few months younger she would be 15 and not able to make adult decisions being a minor. Funny old world innit?
    Updated December 13th, 2019 at 09:47 PM by Biro
  12. escorial's Avatar
    There is always Chris Martin...
  13. Biro's Avatar
    Not if he has to pay tax he won't.
  14. escorial's Avatar
    Bono will save the planet from ourselves
  15. escorial's Avatar
    Joy and happiness is not the norm on WF....writing being a form of release for sum and often mixed with that is confessional writing..sub con or not but the self is the thing we know better than anyone and we and others can predict how one will react fairly accurately...there are so many cliches to this stuff an the blame game plays apart but for me as in so much in life..luck will determine your journey and bad luck will be a constant companion but law of averages say some will get more than others...
  16. Winston's Avatar
    PW, clear, concise and to the point, as usual.


    Quote Originally Posted by bdcharles
    t... Blogs like these are a case in point. If we are confident in our opinions, why vocalise it? I suggest its because we do feel attacked which means we do care about the opinions of others...

    ...I suppose it ultimately boils down to what is important to us - quality of life, or independence, or maybe something else.

    JMO though
    I'm good with what you're saying, totally makes sense.
    I would just add that even Libertarian-leaning misfits like myself feel the need, the duty, to occasionally speak-up. It's like the analogy of the teenager, the bottle of Wild Turkey and the car. The culture I grew up in, we thought all those things were compatible. Obviously, they are not. And there was always one "killjoy" in the group telling us to sleep it off, or hiding the keys so we didn't run over people in a drunken stupor and kill someone. When you respect one another, you listen to everyone. Even the killjoy.

    For me, a lot of society looks like that drunken teenager. So yeah, I speak-up. To not do so would be morally repugnant.

    We're constantly drawing and re-drawing the line between "independence" and "quality of life". Some want to swaddle society in bubble wrap, whereas I'd rather let people learn from banging their head once or twice.
    If no one could ever be hurt, some would consider that Nirvana. I would see that as Hell. No struggle or pain means no growth or advancement.

    Just because I want to peel a few layers of bubble wrap off doesn't mean I hate people and want them to be hurt. However, it does get tedious those times when the power goes out, and a cashier can't make change without mechanical help. So, I'm more than a bit biased on the whole "self-reliance" and "think for yourself" dogma. I'm selfish. I want a to deal with tougher, smarter, more resilient citizens. Not through dogma, indoctrination or conformity. But by insisting that people think. Challenge the status quo. Even if it's a buzzkill.
  17. bdcharles's Avatar
    My personal opinion on opinions is that it doesn't matter whether they're true or not, or correct or not, or well-reasoned or what-have-you. The purpose of an opinion is not to express a truth but to express group membership and one's own identity and place in the world. And actually, that's far more useful. Early humans didn't care a fig whether the world was round or flat as log as they could overpower a stag or some other animal, and club together for warmth and society. I personally don't believe that modern humans are so different. Yes, knowledge is power, but power is also power. We have, should we choose to use it, the capacity for reason and logic and understanding but that doesn't mean that's all we can do. It doesn't also mean that what we reason out is always used for reasonable, truth-heavy, honest purposes.

    If we feel that some people are trying to shut us down, it might be our opinion that they fear what we have to say, or don't understand it, or that their opinion is challenged and something in them is triggered as a result. Again I would say that's an identity statement rather than a truth one. Looked at objectively, if we say we don't care what others feel about our opinions, then, true or not, that puts us outside their group. It presents something potentially inimical to it. That's why those other people react as they do. I put it to such outsiders however that they (okay, at times, "we") are not so different. Blogs like these are a case in point. If we are confident in our opinions, why vocalise it? I suggest its because we do feel attacked which means we do care about the opinions of others. Heresy to suggest it, I know, but most people, under it all, do - apart from perhaps sociopaths, and I've seen no evidence of any of those here. Of course we care. We've by and large evolved to, because the ones that didn't failed to survive for long.

    People often present this "I don't care what others think" aspect as a show of strength. But if that were true, they'd never say it. They'd just be it. There's this narrative that caring what others think is weakness and drives conformity. And I suppose, in a way it is, in terms of who could survive longer on their own. But surviving on one's own is not our default, optimal state. If one is having to do that, something's already gone wrong somewhere upstream and everything thereafter is damage limitation. The strongest state is accepting that we may have to conform to the group to thrive which means occasionally being vulnerable. I suppose it ultimately boils down to what is important to us - quality of life, or independence, or maybe something else.

    JMO though
  18. Plasticweld's Avatar
    [h=1]Revelation 3:16 King James Version (KJV)[/h][COLOR=#000000][FONT=&quot][FONT=Arial][B]16 [/B][/FONT]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


    Kind of says it all. You are in an environment here that thrives on fantasy, emotion, and feelings, to expect otherwise is naive.[/FONT][/COLOR]
  19. midnightpoet's Avatar
    Since WW11, the U.S. keeps involving itself in other countries' business, not always successfully (and often counter-productive), and is a legitimate concern, and should be addressed with intelligent and bi-partisan study and comment. In this current climate of internal bickering and blame-making, I'm not sure that is even possible, but I'll give Winston a "E" for effort.
  20. Phil Istine's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Winston
    Did you actually just write that? Comparing my blog post with Mein Kampf?
    Wow.
    I was going to respond, but Velo has said what I would have. You can write well, Winston, so I'd appreciate it if you refrained from sophistry; you're better than that. This is not written as a moderator but as a forum member.
    Thanks.
    Updated October 14th, 2019 at 12:25 AM by Phil Istine
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