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  1. Plasticweld's Avatar
    Thinking does not equal understanding. I am mathematical in my thinking, there is always an answer to the equation, not a maybe. While the problem maybe complex and it may take time to add up all of the parts, there is always a conclusion, always an answer.

    Actions in life or inaction always lead to something, there are always consequences, they maybe either good or bad. I am always astounded when someone is surprised at the outcome of how their life's choices got them where they are, . I don't get how more people don't see that.

    I do know this my life is very simple because of this philosophy.
  2. dither's Avatar
    I have an opinion on everything, just ask my family and friends. There is no greater insult than to accuse anyone of being moderate.

    I don't get that, I really don't.

    Yes, I have views but nothing concrete I don't think.
    This is the thing you see.
    "I don't think.". Dithering uncertainty.
    But that refers only to the here and now.
    My present state of mind.
    Maybe I spend to MUCH time, thinking, wondering, analysing, QUESTIONING even, what I think and why.
    And because I DO realise, that there are, very probably, might well be, well informed alternative views out there, while fully accepting that I am not the all-knowing nor am I the all-seeing, I much prefer to take a view than harbour strongly held opinions.
    But that's just me dithering.

    Reckon I'll take that easy chair on the fence.The life-long onlooker. I won't apologise for how I am. It is what it is.
    Life eh?
  3. Plasticweld's Avatar
    [SIZE=2][I]I have an opinion on everything, just ask my family and friends. There is no greater insult than to accuse anyone of being moderate. [/I][B]

    Revelation 3:16[/B][/SIZE] [FONT=Roboto][SIZE=3][COLOR=#001320]So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of my mouth.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

    [SIZE=3][COLOR=#001320][FONT=Roboto]I kind go with the concept that it's great to have an open mind until you're 20 or so, after that you're an idiot to not know what you believe, what you distrust or where your faith is, or just plan old know what is right and wrong This is called being an adult. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][FONT=Roboto][SIZE=3][COLOR=#001320]Only kids can fane ignorance when it comes to the things in life that matter. As an adult pretending not to know, that is called being ignorant.


    I go with the concept that all good men are well loved and well hated. If no one hates you it only means you stand for nothing.

    Great post, sure to piss off anyone who believes it is noble to sit on the fence about anything.

    Please don't confuse being tolerant with acceptance. I am tolerant of many opposing views, it does. not mean I accept them! That the beginning of knowledge and civility. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  4. dither's Avatar
    Winston,
    I'm all for agreeing to dis-agree but why does there HAVE to be conflict? I don't [NEED] to convince anybody of anything. So we happen have different views regarding a particular situation.Whatever. And yes Ill hear you out.
    Updated October 14th, 2018 at 07:26 AM by dither
  5. dither's Avatar
    My view is that it's all about the big guy crapping on the little guy. Take the little guy's possessions, rape and murder his wife and daughters, spread disease, totally wipe a race out. Why? [why not?] All in the name of progress of course, and because he can.
    It's greed, pure and simple.
    Only little guys think of the little guy and it's shit. It really is. Okay, so the explorers made some wonderful discoveries and we owe them a great debt for the quality of the lives that we have today but why did they have to kill/wipe out and just grab? The indigenous, someone has mentioned them already, well, those that we allowed to live in order to slave their guts out for a pittance, harvesting the wealth that they were sitting on, to be shipped to the " developed/developing world " . Without so much as a thank-you, kiss my arse or anything, be it tin,copper,timber,rubber whatever, because the explorer didn't like getting his hands dirty.They could have been treated a whole lot better imo. Bananas even. Now there's a hottie.
  6. Winston's Avatar
    My tall silk hat...
  7. Kevin's Avatar
    Okay. You've convinced me: I hate Columbus. My tall silk hat...
  8. Winston's Avatar
    What didn't he do? He took over the place, at threat of violence, and he used violence to get what he wanted. Basically, he brutalised the local populace as a foreign invader for personal gain.
    Not really much different than a modern politician / statesman. He used more direct violence than threats, but the same game is played today.
    When you think about it, he was a pioneer and role model in that respect as well.

    He didn't just come, plant the flag and say "Hi everybody, it's great to meet you!"
    They never do.
    But hey, at least he didn't sit on his butt in Genoa, collecting unemployment.
    As Comrade Stalin said, "To make an omelet, you must crack some eggs".

    I'm in a diminishing minority. I'd rater acknowledge the flawed attempts of ambitious men, rather than celebrate the mediocrity of the timid and weak.
  9. Kevin's Avatar
    What didn't he do? He took over the place, at threat of violence, and he used violence to get what he wanted. Basically, he brutalised the local populace as a foreign invader for personal gain.

    He became Governor. He and his two brothers, were known then as tyrants and for commiting atrocities. They may not have been as prolific as some, but never the less, he wasn't an ambassador. He didn't just come, plant the flag and say "Hi everybody, it's great to meet you!"
  10. Winston's Avatar
    Basically all the early Spanish 'explorers' I've read about were murderius, lying, pigs, driven by greed and self-aggrandizement.

    Cortez was my favorite...
    Kev, just a few sentences in, you're hatin' on Chris for stuff he didn't do!
    Columbus may have been a tax cheat, adulterer and environmental criminal. I'll leave that analysis to unemployed grad students. But I do know what he did demonstrated bravery. It showed a man that was driven, and not content with the status quo.
    I'm not advocating idol worship. He's just a man. But the ideals HE represented are noteworthy.

    As far as everything bad that has that happened 1493 through today? That's a lot to lay on any man's shoulders.
    We all have our sins, we own them, and they are uniquely ours. Me, you, Cortez and Columbus.
    So regardless of your flaws, when you jump into a rickety ship and find a shortcut to Mars, I'll celebrate you too, Kev.
  11. Kevin's Avatar
    I don't hate Columbus Day. I might've for the last 50 years if I were an indigenous.

    I can however, see zero reason to celebrate him, just like I don't see a reason to say George Washington never lied, or chant U.S.A. at events.

    Basically all the early Spanish 'explorers' I've read about were murderius, lying, pigs, driven by greed and self-aggrandizement.

    Cortez was my favorite. I did a report on him when I was ten. Talk about greedy, conniving, lying... To a person of my late to Mid-twentieth century Western Judeo-Christian based raised ten-year-old values he was a monster with zero redeeming qualities. Greed, avarice, and ego, sort of like our President were his motivators. ( I think our presidents a better 'businessman', and he doesn't kill people, that I know of..)

    I'm against having illusions about people. I'm against brain washing our youth to believe half-truths and/or lies. I don't think we need to teach them propaganda. People are how they are, and we as adults should accept it. Our history is what it is and all cultures have and may continue to do horrible things.

    We seem to be in a time now where seizing territory by force is mostly considered unnecessary. That is a relatively new stance. It's only been about 60- 80 years. Most of the wars are now internal conflicts.

    Someone might read this and think I'm on some bandwagon; I'm not. I was against Columbus Day since shortly after I did that report way back when I was ten, and then I went from there and read more on Columbus, and then other explorers of the New World I saw a pattern with all the other Conquistadors ( as the later explorers became known as) ( Columbus is not listed as a conquistador; they came after).

    I'm also against Mao Tse Tung day, or Stalin Day, Reds in general, Antifa; Pinochet Day, Franco Day, and turning, as I am seeing it, my country into a third world dump day...

    I guess I'm against promoting illusions, historical or otherwise. I do like Santa Claus, though. He can be fun.
    Updated October 9th, 2018 at 04:19 PM by Kevin
  12. Plasticweld's Avatar
    If you jump on the band wagon of the I hate Columbus Day, your scope of world history is so narrow, your basically an idiot. Have any of these people read history or just been fed the last bit of progressive cool aid.
  13. Underd0g's Avatar
    I blame the anti-immigration activism.
  14. Kevin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Winston
    Turns out the (alleged) murderer was cheating on his wife as well as lying about finances.
    Once you compromise your integrity, you're done.
    what was that guy that dumped his pregnant wife into the S.F. Bay? Scott something-or-other. Body washed up and he was a goner. He was not suicidal, though. "Peterson", that's the one, real creepy. Cold as a dead fish.
  15. Winston's Avatar
    Turns out the (alleged) murderer was cheating on his wife as well as lying about finances.
    Once you compromise your integrity, you're done.
  16. dither's Avatar
    Wise words Winston but who will listen?
    "Pay the piper sometime".
    Well? That sometime WILL come.
    But what about appearances?
    That lovely wonderful all American self-made hero image?
    The boy who done good.

    And so, when the cracks begin to appear, it comes down to this.
    Do you kill yourself or your family?
    Or both?

    I'm not familiar with the situation that you've mentioned Winston and this is completely off the cuff but that's my take on it.
    Updated August 19th, 2018 at 07:07 PM by dither
  17. Winston's Avatar
    Been three suicides in my group of people I know. I mean Husband suicides.
    Dude, that is messed up. I knew the problem was bad out there, but not to that degree.

    ...They all had wives. Those wives were all spenders. Austerity program means 'loser' to some people. I mean what would the Jones' think? And my mother?!
    Used to be a man was a MAN. Sorry for being the Neanderthal in the room, but for God's sake, put your foot down, people! A "loser" is someone who lies to their family, and doesn't pay their damn bills. If their wife or mommy don't understand that basic fact... well... it's better to be alone than to live with jerks.

    I can imagine a divorce where I lose everything and then moving to Costa Rico (sic)...
    No, man. Let's make it Belize, and sell fish tacos to the DEA agents. But I'm bringing my wife, and she's making the churros.

    And midnightpoet, we've all made mistakes. But for too many, it's not an "oops", but a lifestyle.
  18. midnightpoet's Avatar
    I've made more than my share of stupid financial mistakes, but at least I learned from them and didn't kill anyone - I mostly blamed myself (which led to depression but that's another story). What that guy did is just beyond comprehension. It does seem though that too many people want too many things and think they are entitled to have everything.
  19. Kevin's Avatar
    Mmm...
    Been three suicides in my group of people I know. I mean Husband suicides.
    Money, money, and money. They all had wives. Those wives were all spenders. Austerity program means 'loser' to some people. I mean what would the Jones' think? And my mother?!
    There's certain expectations. Two of the three had made big money, really big. The third guy was at six figures. All were experiencing bad times, financially.

    Maybe it's my neighborhood, but that story sounds not too outlandish. That he killed everyone? That part's extreme, but I have heard of it before. I can't imagine.

    I can imagine a divorce where I lose everything and then moving to Costa Rico. I could sell banana tacos to rich tourist-surfers. I'd be like another Capt. Ron. Show them all the cool spots. Duuude...
  20. Smith's Avatar
    You know, for something that claims such good intentions, global warming science really is spooky.

    Seems silly to rely on pop science figures like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye to preach your case if you're supposedly telling the truth. Fear mongering. Propaganda. Obama lying about "97% of scientists agree on climate change" or whatever retarded statement he made.

    I'm over it. I think we ought to take into consideration our impact on the environment. Whether it's creating holes in layers of the atmosphere, or using more natural resources than we can replenish, oil spills, etc. But as soon as you start lying to me about it, using patronizing language, and trying to woo me with celebrities, you can forget it. You've destroyed your own credibility.

    Here's another thing. We've explored, what, 2% of the world's oceans? And yet we've claimed for decades that we're going to fish marine life to extinction. I don't buy it.

    But at the drop of a hat, people nowadays are prepared to strip themselves ass-naked, bend over and scream for more regulations and taxes from Uncle Sam.
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