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The nazis are back

The nazis have returned. It's funny because they use wannabe nazis as their tool to judge everyone else. The nazis are very inclusive. All you have to do is agree with the statement: "If you're not with us you are agin' us." They're very strict. There's no discourse allowed. No talking unless it is with the approved words. You should punch people, with brass knuckles even, and there's no sense talking with people, only at them. Sometimes you need to scream at them. It helps to shut them up. It's time to get serious and bourgeois humanism is no reason to love your enemy. Actually, it is a reason, a sinful one. Only through the true church can humanity get to the higher place and the individual is unimportant, unless they're a symbol, a martyr, which makes them not really an individual, but an example, because people don't need to have things questioned; they need them explained. And there you have it. See? Don't ask again. Just nod your head if you get it. Nod even if you don't because you don't need to. And stay in line. We are the righteous.

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sebald-not sure what you're asking, and it depends on which part. But seriously, I am encountering such beliefs. I don't hold them myself. I was hoping the hypocrisy would be self-evident.
 
Oh, that's a relief.

At the weekend, I was looking into the rise of far-right groups in America, and it was so shocking.

Membership of the KKK alone has gone from a few thousand to 100,000 in ten months.

Ordinary people, angry at the post-recession world we find ourselves in, are desperate to find someone to blame.

Here's a piece from Fox news last week that really touched me.

“When I hear Nazi, Neo-Nazi, it goes through me like an electric shock,” said Sonia Warshawski, a Kansas City-area Holocaust Survivor.

Warshawski survived three different Nazi concentration camps during the Holocaust in World War II. Even now, all these years later, it pains her to discuss it.

“The horrors are unimaginable,” she said

Warshawski said watching white power and Neo-Nazi groups in Virginia over the weekend is like re-living a nightmare. She says she’s speaking out to keep a promise from her time in a concentration camp.

“The dying said: ‘If you make it, remember to tell the story. The real story and what took place’. It's impossible for normal people to believe what they did to us," she said.

For years after the war, Warshawski didn’t talk about her time in places like Auschwitz, where the S.S. burned a serial number into her arm. Until on the radio one day, she heard someone denying that the Holocaust ever happened.

“It's like a thunder came to my brain: ‘Hey, Sonia! This is the reason you survived. You have to tell the world to let them know what you have seen,'” she recalled.

And Warshawski admits there’s another reason she’s speaking out. Warshawski claims there are chilling similarities between the mood in Germany and Poland all those years ago, and what she’s seeing in America in 2017.

“You don't have any idea because I tell you, any normal person will never understand, and feel it, what was done. In the 20th century! That's the reason I say: it can happen again,” she said.
 
Sorry for taking over your post

It feels important to listen to what people like that are saying:

"The Holocaust didn't start with the gas chambers. It started with rhetoric, with hate-filled words."
 
Hatred and bigotry dates back to the human race basically. One good thing about the Trump era; at least now we know we have a long way to go since politicians can't say racism doesn't exist anymore.
 
Thanks, Kevin. I've overestimated the rise of KKK membership.

I'm going to have a nice cup of tea, and calm down.
 
Sebald- if ever they come for you, we'll hide you in the basement And if they ask I will lie and say: 'No, we have none of those here', whatever type it is they are asking for. E-man, that goes for you, too. And Mustard... :)
 
I appreciate that, Kevin. I'll hide you all, too.

Might have to disguise you as Morris dancers, when you leave the house. Nobody questions a Morris dancer. And they're everywhere in this part of England. I hope you like green face-paint and bells...
 
The post-modernists have returned. It's funny because they use wannabe communists as their tool to judge everyone else. The Antifa are very inclusive. All you have to do is agree with the statement: "If you're not with us you are against us." They're very strict. There's no discourse allowed. No talking unless it is with the approved words. You should punch people just because they're a Nazi, with a sucker punch even, and there's no sense talking with people, only at them.

Sometimes you need to scream at them. It helps to shut them up, since we don't have any real arguments. It's time to get serious and bourgeois humanism is no reason to love your enemy. Actually, it is a reason, a sinful one. Only through the true church can humanity get to the higher place and the individual is unimportant, unless they're a symbol, a martyr, which makes them not really an individual, but an example, because people don't need to have things questioned; they need them explained. And there you have it. See? Don't ask again. Just nod your head if you get it. Nod even if you don't because you don't need to. And stay in line. We are the proletariat.

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Don't take this the wrong way, Kevin. I'm sorry you had to encounter somebody who actually holds the views you satirized in your blog.

Just wanted to make a point that this isn't a "Nazi", "fascist", "right-wing" only thing.
 
Smith;bt10374 said:
The post-modernists have returned. It's funny because they use wannabe communists as their tool to judge everyone else. The Antifa are very inclusive. All you have to do is agree with the statement: "If you're not with us you are against us." They're very strict. There's no discourse allowed. No talking unless it is with the approved words. You should punch people just because they're a Nazi, with a sucker punch even, and there's no sense talking with people, only at them.

Sometimes you need to scream at them. It helps to shut them up, since we don't have any real arguments. It's time to get serious and bourgeois humanism is no reason to love your enemy. Actually, it is a reason, a sinful one. Only through the true church can humanity get to the higher place and the individual is unimportant, unless they're a symbol, a martyr, which makes them not really an individual, but an example, because people don't need to have things questioned; they need them explained. And there you have it. See? Don't ask again. Just nod your head if you get it. Nod even if you don't because you don't need to. And stay in line. We are the proletariat.

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Don't take this the wrong way, Kevin. I'm sorry you had to encounter somebody who actually holds the views you satirized in your blog.

Just wanted to make a point that this isn't a "Nazi", "fascist", "right-wing" only thing.
[/QUOTEexcuse me! But your point was my point, and I said it first!

There are no Nazis... I mean practically. Read the numbers... They are irrelevant. How many were there at Va. ? A couple dozen losers... Big whoop..
So who is it that makes this big tah-doo out of it? And why?

Anyway,... You should read my Facebook feed and some of the things people say. And the stuff is accepted. I'm a spectator because I think it's futile to argue, and... I don't really care that much, I mean, as long as it doesn't get out of hand, which a couple dozen fist-fights and one killing does not to me qualify. I mean, yes, that one loser ran that poor woman over for nothing which is terrible, and that in particular is out of hand, and I know the law will deal with him severely as it should, but there's losers everywhere. We had a guy out here shoot eight people because he was boo-hooing about not getting his way in court. And that was because he was a douche and the judge knew it. Then he really proved it. From my perspective a couple dozen idiots in s&m drag marching around with bull horns don't qualify as proof of the second coming of the third Reich and shouldn't be national news, They're an oddity at best. A casual, Man, shut the fuck up as you pass by is about all they might deserve. Not brass knuckles or beat their heads in with rocks. That's called an overreaction.
 
Kevin;bt10377 said:
excuse me! But your point was my point, and I said it first!

There are no Nazis... I mean practically. Read the numbers... They are irrelevant. How many were there at Va. ? A couple dozen losers... Big whoop..
So who is it that makes this big tah-doo out of it? And why?

Anyway,... You should read my Facebook feed and some of the things people say. And the stuff is accepted. I'm a spectator because I think it's futile to argue, and... I don't really care that much, I mean, as long as it doesn't get out of hand, which a couple dozen fist-fights and one killing does not to me qualify. I mean, yes, that one loser ran that poor woman over for nothing which is terrible, and that in particular is out of hand, and I know the law will deal with him severely as it should, but there's losers everywhere. We had a guy out here shoot eight people because he was boo-hooing about not getting his way in court. And that was because he was a douche and the judge knew it. Then he really proved it. From my perspective a couple dozen idiots in s&m drag marching around with bull horns don't qualify as proof of the second coming of the third Reich and shouldn't be national news, They're an oddity at best. A casual, Man, shut the fuck up as you pass by is about all they might deserve. Not brass knuckles or beat their heads in with rocks. That's called an overreaction.

I couldn't agree more with you, Kevin. Thanks for clarifying.

There are conspiracies suggesting that the mayor of Charlottesville deliberately let the rally get out of hand for his own gain. Perhaps to say, "See? This is why we can't have free speech rallies," or "See? This is why we need stronger police presence." That's just explaining the conspiracies off the top of my head; you'd have to look it up yourself to get more details whenever you're bored, or actually curious. I found them entertaining, but certainly lacking in hard evidence, as usual.

Anyway, just watch and see who benefits from it. That isn't incriminating evidence, but it's usually a good lead as to who may have been looking to make a big deal out of it, as you mentioned.
 
I read a recent study on "De-Huminization and how it's a psychological trick that allows persons to hate people because it's easier to inflict pain on "people who are not people". On the scale, the average alt-righters saw other groups as nothing more than hunched over-proto-humans.

Now, that Steve Bannon is out of the White House I wonder just how strong his sway will be in both in numbers of followers and hate crimes. Most caustically - Harvard turned out one of its best in Urban Planning -

Kevin, your title is frightfully apt. And I am at a loss.
 
"The appeal of conspiracy theories lies in the fact that they reduce complex social issues to a simple, emotionally charged tale of good and evil.

Whatever the outcome of next month’s elections, those seduced by conspiracy theories will be the losers. The politics of the illusory can never adequately address the causes of their in many ways legitimate feelings of alienation and dispossession.

Unreasonable expectations and unattainable goals drummed up by Trump’s populist rhetoric can only drive his supporters away from political institutions and democratic processes through which their interests can be legitimately articulated and pursued."

Jovan Buford, author of Conspiracy Theories: A Critical Introduction
 
Honestly Kev, when I read this, one word came to mind:
Berkley.
Which is beyond ironic, since that was the birthplace of the modern free-speech movement. Times change, indeed.
 
"Extremism in the name of liberty is no vice" - Barry Goldwater.

Boy was he wrong.

Yes, it's true. College kids on the far left are all for free speech until it's something they don't like, but I hope that doesn't excuse the actions of the alt-right and certainly not the actions of some yahoo who borrowed a tactic popular with the Islamic State in running over people. Talk about irony.

Conspiracy theories, ah yes. Sure, the mayor of Charlottesville planned to have a volunteer get run over just as much as Bush orchestrated 9/11, everyone was in on the JFK assassination, and Elvis is still alive. Come on, give me a break.

As for the college set, it can work both ways. Remember when Ahmadinijad was in town to speak at the UN when he got an invite to Columbia and the right went ballistic thinking they'd coddle the guy and justify his atrocities? Well, they got an eye opening when Ahmadinijad got himself laughed off the stage when he proclaimed there were no gays in Iran.

I guess I should have said this to someone in a thread I started with my own rant in the Tavern, but there are two truths out there. The truth you believe and the actual truth. Personally, I prefer to go with the latter.
 

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