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The Jedi Flops Again

Between "The Last Jedi" (I wish...) and "The Force Awakens", it's just a reminder of how careful you have to be about how you write long, drawn out stories. People these days are paying attention and they have the internet so even if you have those people who somehow come out this movie believing it a near flawless masterpiece, they'll soon be exposed to all they missed.

I heard these movies were being directed by Abrams and what immediately came to mind was "Lost"- how that show suckered many people into believing things were building up to something when they really didn't lead anywhere. If I were completely cynical, I'd say he simply Pied-pipered peopled along with mystery and crypticisms (not a real word...and I don't care) from the beginning or at some point when he knew he couldn't finish it. Also, he was probably obligated to do something since big money is invested in it.

And you get the same thing with Star Wars. A lot of insinuations and teasers that fall flat. There could be a lot of reasons for this. Some things I didn't think were bad. Luke's disillusioned grumpiness was perfectly in character to me. People change. They go to war one way and come back different sometimes and Luke's at the front of the front lines. He was young and gullible and believed things that he would regret later. He's basically spent his entire life fighting and killing and people around him die off as well. They are still dying off. But people want him to be this happy cartoon character that gladly trains another child to become a killer for the sake of delusional principles and quasi-religious philosophies that only end in death. He's war weary and he's tired of the bullsh*t. It made perfect....sense...to me. I actually thought that was cool, along with the fact that Rey's parents were nobodies. You'd expect Americans to be a little resistant to the idea of royal lineages and the like being the only thing that can do anything in the world, but if you look at most of our media and fictions- that idea is still white-hot in peoples minds. People love to be special and being royalty or the children of royalty of some sort is what we secretly desire. (or to eventually become something akin to royalty or worshiped and glorified)

I thought the first movie sucked so I didn't expect anything but more garbage from this one. I still had hope that they would pull out something awesome, but in the end...nope. I think they should have gone a completely different route. It's basically the Rebels vs The Empire again. They changed a little bit, but who are they kidding. They're telling the same story, basically, with some twists to make it seem like they aren't. They should have abandoned that story-line entirely and had Rey be someone or something else beside's a Jedi-Jesus of some intergalactic battle. In my opinion, they actually started off pretty well at the very beginning when they showed her as a young, independent scavenger. That was awesome. They should have stuck with something like that. Maybe she would eventually become an Indiana Jones like person, uncovering the Jedi past and navigating through dangers to find the truths about herself, the old orders of Jedi, Luke, and the truths of the world/universe. A completely new plot with completely new characters and dangers. It would have been a continuation instead of an imitation.

I don't think this was just a writing error. This wasn't just lackluster storytelling, it was totally wtf, you're not even going to address key points of the story you brought up in the beginning. If I had to have my guess, I think the storyline was stuffed with superfluous subplots and plot-cryptics that leave the audience guessing because mystery get's tongues wagging...as it did, regardless of how god-awful TFA was. But they realized that they couldn't resolve most of them in a way suitable enough to appease the expectations of fans that they personally built up over the years. So they just forced the main story through and decided to sweep the others under the rug and hop no-one notices the dead body bumps at Christmas. It feels like they tried to pull a Game of Thrones where, to his credit, G R R Martin masterfully balanced a variety of sub-plots around his main story line and none of them ever seem forced, contrived, or fish-out-of-water.

At first I wasn't going to have this strong of an opinion because it's just fantasy bullcrap on TV and who cares anyway, but...That's not really it, is it? Why do we like the stories we do? And when they become such a strong part of our lives, it's almost sacred. Star Wars is Holy Ground to people, obviously, and the desecration of it with this awful construct deserves the rage it gets.

And wow, check out the difference between the critic scores and audience scores. Talk about marketing. This movie wasn't totally garbage. It works as a movie, but it is not even good- really. Passable. And the critics gave it a 93 on Rotten. GTFOOH, B. No way in hell. This stinks from the beginning and looking at the other shady things Disney has been doing lately, I wouldn't be surprised if they care in the least. This movie already made it's money and I bet they'll promote the net movie and I bet they'll be like "It will be even better next time guys. We promise, if you didn't like the first two, your going to love this last...nineth-to-last one. The critics are already going CRAZY."

Ugh.

Don't...even...touch...A Wheel of Time.

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I'm just sick of movies being so diverse that their philosophy is "you're racist if you notice", while simultaneously they know full well that they want people to notice because of how preachy and deliberate it is. So it's more like if you notice and you think it's great, you're not racist! Yay! If you notice and think it's bullshit, you're automatically a racist! Boo! And the best part is, the whole point of combating racism is so that you don't notice race.

Not even angry. Just annoyed, because it's dumb and intellectually insulting.

The Fast and Furious movies have a diverse cast that includes every race under the sun, males, females... it might represent gays, I can't remember all of them. Anyway, it never seemed forced. It was actually inconsequential what race or gender they were. Isn't that the ideal? (biological gender differences aside)

Movies nowadays feel like they're made under the guidance of Title IX administrators, extreme leftists (feminists, BLM), and public scolds.

That ruins the movie for me right away, because it reminds me that it's a movie which ruins the immersion, and I don't go to movies to be fucking lectured.

Take a well socialized kid to any movie, let alone Star Wars, and the last thing on their mind is race. This would've been true 40 years ago, too. I'm with Rousseau in this respect, that kids learn to be racist. Obviously they can recognize, "Hey. This person doesn't look like me. Their skin is darker." But the next logical step for a healthy 5 year old isn't to enslave them.
 
dither;bt11210 said:
Smith,
they all have an agenda.

Damn right, and it's increasingly more difficult to find a person where their agenda is "make a good movie and tell a good story".
 
I have come to despise movies with special effects and a lack of story. I call it the Jurassic Park Syndrome. When that movie came out they expected the audience to be in so awe of the special effects that they didn't pay attention to either the lack of story or the predictability of it.

Give me a good story with believable scenes, not over the top explosions or stunts.

Thanks for saving me the ticket price :}
 
Smith;bt11209 said:
I'm just sick of movies being so diverse that their philosophy is "you're racist if you notice", while simultaneously they know full well that they want people to notice because of how preachy and deliberate it is. So it's more like if you notice and you think it's great, you're not racist! Yay! If you notice and think it's bullshit, you're automatically a racist! Boo! And the best part is, the whole point of combating racism is so that you don't notice race.

Not even angry. Just annoyed, because it's dumb and intellectually insulting.

The Fast and Furious movies have a diverse cast that includes every race under the sun, males, females... it might represent gays, I can't remember all of them. Anyway, it never seemed forced. It was actually inconsequential what race or gender they were. Isn't that the ideal? (biological gender differences aside)

Movies nowadays feel like they're made under the guidance of Title IX administrators, extreme leftists (feminists, BLM), and public scolds.

That ruins the movie for me right away, because it reminds me that it's a movie which ruins the immersion, and I don't go to movies to be fucking lectured.

Take a well socialized kid to any movie, let alone Star Wars, and the last thing on their mind is race. This would've been true 40 years ago, too. I'm with Rousseau in this respect, that kids learn to be racist. Obviously they can recognize, "Hey. This person doesn't look like me. Their skin is darker." But the next logical step for a healthy 5 year old isn't to enslave them.

I don’t think this one was about race all that much, but I see it in a lot of other things. It’s not that it’s bad, but I feel they are taking superficially good things and perverting them in really hamfisted ways. To be fair, I also see a fair amount of conservative poo in media as well and often in shows you might think are very leftist. They are more subtle, but they are there. It’s not really about left or right in my opinion- just using a left or right slant to push a sale on...something. Like a car salesman. You tailor your approach to the crowd.
 
Smith;bt11209 said:
Movies nowadays feel like they're made under the guidance of Title IX administrators, extreme leftists (feminists, BLM), and public scolds.

'Nuff said.

"The following film was produced under the direction of Title IX Self Censorship, and is in no way to be considered to contain any artistic content.
"Any entertainment value is simply coincidental."
 
Talked to several people at church, who went and saw the movie. Everyone liked it because, well, it's Star Wars. I haven't seen it but I think I'll try.
 
tinacrabapple;bt11217 said:
Talked to several people at church, who went and saw the movie. Everyone liked it because, well, it's Star Wars. I haven't seen it but I think I'll try. ��

It's the case of the casual gamer vs. "hardcore" gamer.

A lot of people with a certain set of standards will enjoy this new Star Wars movie because they enjoy just about any movie.
 

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