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  1. Neetu's Avatar
    Mother's Day???Oh wow, it is early in the UK! Glad you got your mum the card.
  2. Neetu's Avatar
    Isn't isolation just great???? Very brave of the first responders.
  3. MzSnowleopard's Avatar
    Left the folks home ( Mom got weird, reneged on the agreement ) So, now I'm living with a long time friend in the Tampa area.
  4. PiP's Avatar
    Hi Florida, welcome back! You can use alcohol to make hand-sanitizer. https://www.healthline.com/health/ho...er#ingredients
  5. Smith's Avatar
    I will say that while the young-and-healthy have nothing to worry about, that going to work at this time could get them sick, and therefore somebody that they live with could get sick who DOES have to be worried.

    At the same time, there are lot of people right now who are out of a job, and they might live paycheck to paycheck, or at best have enough to survive for a month. Obviously I hope that they can reach out and get some sort of assistance; I have watched people in my town band together and go shopping for the elderly or those in quarantine, for example. But in terms of raw financial support, in many cases I think there's not much that can be done because so many people are in the same boat. And if they're not in the boat now, they're about to be.

    So while I'm not saying that I think Starbucks actually has my best interest in mind by doing everything they can to stay open, the result is that *for now* I don't have to worry about how I'm going to eat, not get evicted, or afford gas. Likewise for my roommate who works at a donut-and-coffee shop.

    The economic repercussions looming in the near future, and already being felt in some small ways, is pretty worrisome. But I've had enough paranoia, fear, and panic for one year.
  6. Neetu's Avatar
    Thanks, Irwin. I’ve been fortunate that I have called America home for over 2 decades and not been directly targeted in the way I was this time. But I’ve seen it happen to others and known undercurrents of it. And there are such people, highly educated even, right here in the forum, but I do what you say— stay away from them.
    it hurts to be treated this way and I’m sorry you have been brushed by it.
  7. Irwin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Neetu
    Irwin, as a non-white, I have a particularly sensitive lens to the mentality you have referenced, and while I have seldom encountered it openly, I did so very recently. It violated everything in me; it angered me, humiliated me and shook me up in a way I hadn’t thought was possible. And I told only one friend of mine about my experience, a white male friend, who more or less laughed it off because I had been bold enough to retort back to the white woman who attacked me, but I realized it could t feel to him how it felt to me.
    I'm sorry that happened to you, Neetu. Some people seem to need to put others down in order to feel good about themselves. They're miserable, bitter, hate-filled, xenophobic losers who never accomplished anything in life other than maybe serving in the military where they were given the right to kill exotic people. Imagine how happy the murderers must have been to live out their dreams and fantasies! And it made them feel like true "patriots" even though they're nothing like our Founding Fathers. They have more in common with the Loyalists from the Revolutionary War period. Our country was founded on progressive principles and by immigrants who rebelled against the Dark Ages--not by a backward conservatives.

    It hurts when you're put down for something over which you have no control, such as your heritage or race. I'm not Christian, and some say I'm not white, and when I see my people targeted, I wish that there was something I could do to help. But, alas, I live in the liberal, gay governor, Bernie supporting state of Colorado, where it's perfectly legal to smoke a joint in public! Even here, there are hate groups. Less than 30 years ago, this was a redneck "cowtown," and the rednecks haven't moved; they've just aged.

    The best way to deal with backward people is to avoid them when possible and to rely on your friends. They're the people who are important in this world and make life worth living. And the wankers (to use a British term) have their value, too. They give us stuff to write about.
  8. dither's Avatar
    Sorry to read of your experience Neetu. When I go out I'm like a church-mouse scurrying about the periphery, skirting the edges of my very existence, and I hurry back to my home base asap. I avoid contact with people. When I HAVE to interact I'm courtesy and politeness personified, and, ironically in trying to go un-noticed, courtesy and politeness seems to get noticed, often making me feel quite un-comfortable.

    As for changes, the world's one total screw-up, ain't gonna happen.
  9. Neetu's Avatar
    Dither, lenses come in varying forms, strength/power and degrees. We will always see the world through our own, the influences that have shaped them, and by extension, us.
    Irwin, as a non-white, I have a particularly sensitive lens to the mentality you have referenced, and while I have seldom encountered it openly, I did so very recently. It violated everything in me; it angered me, humiliated me and shook me up in a way I hadn’t thought was possible. And I told only one friend of mine about my experience, a white male friend, who more or less laughed it off because I had been bold enough to retort back to the white woman who attacked me, but I realized it could t feel to him how it felt to me.
    Later, actually a couple of days ago, I was able to tell two of my closest white female friends, and their response was instantly protective of me and intensely critical of the woman who had tried to degrade me. It all comes down to a view of the world and how sensitive we are to others.
    Ignorance is the root of such evil, and sadly,I don’t see change coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by dither
    Neetu
  10. Neetu's Avatar
    The Mensch! Human unlike others? Or a human among others? Funny, I associate Mensch with a curse my German boss used to utter every now and again. Usually when he was irked by his assistant who never seemed to get his instructions right. Though Mensch can refer to an perfectly honorable person!
  11. Neetu's Avatar
    Well, it was a halfway house, dither. Halfway between the two railway stations, halfway because it gave you a resting place, halfway perhaps, also because it was along the path of growing up and it comes back to you now because it represented some kind of midway point at the time.
  12. dither's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Neetu
    Hey dither, can I, or may I try your lens????
    Neetu
  13. Neetu's Avatar
    Hey dither, can I, or may I try your lens????

    Quote Originally Posted by dither
    Damn! Neetu, you got me wondering about MY.....lens, and maybe I'M ...... hyper.
  14. dither's Avatar
    Damn! Neetu, you got me wondering about MY.....lens, and maybe I'M ...... hyper.
  15. clark's Avatar
    IRWIN -- you are wise to "refuse to be sociable" with a person who has blueprinted a reality of hate for themselves and undoubtedly intends to follow it, so any more expansive ideas you might plant would fall on fallow ground. Just be a waste of time.
  16. Irwin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by clark
    Irwin -- Your post seems one of Discovery: good grief! There are a lot of assholes in the world! Indeed there are. There are also a lot of good, decent, caring people in the world. Have you asked yourself why most of the people you interact with seem to be assholes? A corollary of that: what criteria do you exact on the people you interact with to determine where they land on the asshole scale? Does THAT require some tweaking? Are you actively looking for The Good in people. Or are you hypersensitive to The Bad? Quick to judge? I am not criticizing your perspective on the world. I am just throwing out a few questions which, if pursued, might cheer your days a bit.
    Yeah, I agree that most people are decent. It's just my white supremacist neighbor who won't leave me alone. I hate to be rude to him, but his ilk has caused so much harm in the world that I refuse to be sociable with him or anyone like him.
  17. Neetu's Avatar
    Good point, Irwin. I steer away from such people too. When you know youíre dealing with closed minds, whatís the point? were just wasting our time. And it seems like thereís a lot of people were wasting our time with these days. Thatís probably why I donít feel like communicating much at all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Irwin
    That's true, Neetu. White supremacists, for example, can be the nicest people to their friends and relatives. I knew a bunch of them in my younger days. Which leads to the age old question: If an asshole is nice to some people, is he or she no longer an asshole?

    It's like the Golden Rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. A lot of people believe that if they do some nice deeds, that wipes out all the evil that they also do.

    I prefer the negative ethic of reciprocity: What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. In other words, don't be an asshole. If you do good things for others, that's great, but above all else, don't do bad things.

    People will come up with all sorts of excuses to be an asshole, which is why I "steer away" from most of them, but some of them force themselves on you and won't let you avoid them, in which case it seems like you're intentionally causing them distress, when in reality, your intention is to just not have anything to do with them.
  18. clark's Avatar
    Irwin -- Your post seems one of Discovery: good grief! There are a lot of assholes in the world! Indeed there are. There are also a lot of good, decent, caring people in the world. Have you asked yourself why most of the people you interact with seem to be assholes? A corollary of that: what criteria do you exact on the people you interact with to determine where they land on the asshole scale? Does THAT require some tweaking? Are you actively looking for The Good in people. Or are you hypersensitive to The Bad? Quick to judge? I am not criticizing your perspective on the world. I am just throwing out a few questions which, if pursued, might cheer your days a bit.
  19. clark's Avatar
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  20. Pulse's Avatar
    Yeah. 'Do no harm' is a good principle to live by if you can. Some people even work on 'random acts of kindness', but you may not want to be a virtuoso.

    Sounds like you are trying to protect yourself against people who offend you. Alcohol only works for a short timespan, so YuuTube is currently in favour.

    Arseholes get a wide berth.

    Anything we can do for you here?
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