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Baron
July 20th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Unfortunately it has come to light that a member has been posting plagiarised work as his own. The person concerned has confessed to this and all his work has been removed from the site. The member has also been permanently banned.

The January edition of the Newsletter has also had to be withdrawn as it contained work by this person. I apologise to all contributors to that issue who are also affected by this.

Plagiarism is an issue that we do not take lightly. I'm glad to say that this is only the second severe case to emerge in the history of this site.

candid petunia
July 20th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Aww sad that such things happen.

Bilston Blue
July 20th, 2011, 03:44 PM
It is sad that this happens, and it begs the question why? What's the point? :-k

garza
July 20th, 2011, 03:59 PM
I agree. What's the point? When I write something or draw something it may not be great, but it's mine, and I can show it to the whole world and say, 'look, I did this'. What satisfaction can there be in passing off someone else's work as your own?

ProcrastinationStation
July 20th, 2011, 04:05 PM
I agree with the above, why? even if you post plagarised work that gets praised how can that praise feel good? you don't have the satisfaction knowing that it came from you, rather you're being praised for nothing. I don't understand how someone can take that praise and feel good from it.
It's not their work, they havn't contributed anything to it so the praise cannot be attributed to yourself.

I am of course assuming the work that has been plagarised is good as it would be strange to steal someone elses work and try to improve upon it from critiques.

Baron
July 20th, 2011, 04:58 PM
The January edition of the newsletter has been revised to remove offending content.

Brock
July 20th, 2011, 08:15 PM
What form of plagiarism was committed? Full blown word-for-word, changing the sentence structure or wording around, paraphrasing without citing the source, etc.? If it is was word-for-word, it's odd that it would take someone this long to spot it. I agree though; it's odd that the plagiarist was getting some kind of satisfaction from doing this.

Foxee
July 20th, 2011, 08:18 PM
It isn't necessary to reveal all the details. The situation is dealt with and is now past.

Brock
July 20th, 2011, 10:27 PM
It isn't necessary to reveal all the details. The situation is dealt with and is now past.

True. Sorry, I am just curious as to how strict WF is regarding plagiarism -- in particular unintentional plagiarism. Some people can plagiarise without actually knowing they are doing it, if they are not familiar with the different forms of it.

Baron
July 20th, 2011, 11:59 PM
True. Sorry, I am just curious as to how strict WF is regarding plagiarism -- in particular unintentional plagiarism. Some people can plagiarise without actually knowing they are doing it, if they are not familiar with the different forms of it.

Deliberate plagiarism will automatically be rewarded with a permanent ban when discovered.

No action is taken without discussion between staff and communication with the member concerned. Beyond that, for the benefit of all concerned, moderation isn't discussed on the public forums.

m alexander
September 21st, 2011, 02:35 PM
Do moderator's know who's work he stole? Would it be appropriate to inform the original writer? I know if somebody was stealing my work I'd want to know about it, and informing the original writer could get the group new members from the literary community. If the guy stole work to put in this website, then he is going to continue to put elsewhere.

Baron
September 21st, 2011, 03:05 PM
All necessary action has been taken.

BryanJ62
March 15th, 2015, 05:25 PM
Wow! In this day and age you would think one would have second thoughts. It is so easy to find out if your work is legit or not.

dither
March 15th, 2015, 07:53 PM
Why on earth would anyone do that?

Blade
March 15th, 2015, 08:06 PM
Wow! In this day and age you would think one would have second thoughts. It is so easy to find out if your work is legit or not.

Many people are living in the past. They simply do not grasp how transparent and interwoven the internet is. What once could be hidden is now revealed for all to see.:encouragement:


Why on earth would anyone do that?

I would assume to gain credit or admiration as if it was their own effort.:cower:

BryanJ62
March 15th, 2015, 08:54 PM
Just a dirty feeling and not the good kind.

ppsage
March 16th, 2015, 09:09 AM
Ha. Think I remember this. If so, not confined to wf and messier elsewhere. My impression, not for glory. More like an attempt to denigrate: contemptuous of the process, the places, the people. Trolling, kind of.

curtis
July 21st, 2015, 06:58 AM
Why on earth would anyone do that?

I agree. The enjoyment of writing comes from your own, original thoughts.

LucyLumen
August 19th, 2015, 07:52 AM
Wow, I guess it's a wake up call for all writers. Make sure your ideas are YOUR ideas. If you're going to pay an homage to something, you've got to put in the effort to give it your original spin. You ever notice that there is a very thin line between an homage and just, straight-out plagiarism?

Enaragon
November 24th, 2015, 02:07 PM
I guess people like the attention they get for passing good work as their own?

violinguy
December 2nd, 2015, 03:15 AM
I absolutely believe that any word-for-word plagiarism is completely uncalled for and should be dealt with severely.

I also believe (at the risk of sounding like an apologist) that a work that shares thematic material, or even plot points with another should be dealt with as an unfortunate coincidence (unless otherwise revealed) and treated accordingly. In today's world of complete saturation of fiction through self-publishing, there are bound to be similarities in both theme and plot between any two works. Obviously good writers stamp their own work with excellent craftsmanship that sets it apart, but there are very few completely "new" ideas out there.

Case in point; Chuck Hogan's award-winning novel Prince of Thieves is (in places) scene-for-scene identical to the film Heat. Some critics pointed that out (especially in Ben Affleck's film adaptation), but no one accused Hogan of plagiarism. Prince of Thieves is a terrific novel BTW. I just finished it in research for my own heist book.

Bottom line is, IMO, creators of any kind (fiction, music, art) can be very quick to shout "PLAGIARISM" at the first sign of similarity. I am a person who makes a portion of his living on royalties (musical recordings) so I am sensitive to copyright issues, but I also think that too many creators (like, say, Taylor Swift with her latest lawsuit) are a little too quick to jump on the plagiarism train.

Copying and pasting to win a writing competition is vile and the people who do this have a special place in hell with sports dopers and Katy Perry, but let's make sure that the next author who writes a book about Catholicism isn't accused of plagiarizing Dan Brown.

Hairball
December 2nd, 2015, 05:34 AM
I absolutely believe that any word-for-word plagiarism is completely uncalled for and should be dealt with severely.

I also believe (at the risk of sounding like an apologist) that a work that shares thematic material, or even plot points with another should be dealt with as an unfortunate coincidence (unless otherwise revealed) and treated accordingly. In today's world of complete saturation of fiction through self-publishing, there are bound to be similarities in both theme and plot between any two works. Obviously good writers stamp their own work with excellent craftsmanship that sets it apart, but there are very few completely "new" ideas out there.

Case in point; Chuck Hogan's award-winning novel Prince of Thieves is (in places) scene-for-scene identical to the film Heat. Some critics pointed that out (especially in Ben Affleck's film adaptation), but no one accused Hogan of plagiarism. Prince of Thieves is a terrific novel BTW. I just finished it in research for my own heist book.

Bottom line is, IMO, creators of any kind (fiction, music, art) can be very quick to shout "PLAGIARISM" at the first sign of similarity. I am a person who makes a portion of his living on royalties (musical recordings) so I am sensitive to copyright issues, but I also think that too many creators (like, say, Taylor Swift with her latest lawsuit) are a little too quick to jump on the plagiarism train.

Copying and pasting to win a writing competition is vile and the people who do this have a special place in hell with sports dopers and Katy Perry, but let's make sure that the next author who writes a book about Catholicism isn't accused of plagiarizing Dan Brown.

Hi! I'm Hairball, and don't worry dear, no one copies and pastes anything to win a competition here. There is no issue about plagiarism as far as I know, so don't worry your sweet head about it.

Have a great day.

HunterJonson
December 11th, 2015, 02:27 PM
Most people each other copy, the only question in %

Hairball
December 12th, 2015, 05:18 AM
Most people each other copy, the only question in %

What does that mean? Like, people get ideas from other books or something? A lot of authors read books, get ideas, and go off on their own to make a book out of it.

The %, as in the percentage of people who expand on others' ideas? I don't know. I'll have to check this out. Thanks!

Gumby
December 12th, 2015, 03:49 PM
What does that mean? Like, people get ideas from other books or something? A lot of authors read books, get ideas, and go off on their own to make a book out of it.

The %, as in the percentage of people who expand on others' ideas? I don't know. I'll have to check this out. Thanks!

This is true. There aren't too many new ideas out there and who hasn't been inspired by reading something written by someone else?

aj47
December 12th, 2015, 09:32 PM
This is why I get so cheesed at "I have a really good idea. I'll tell you, and you can write it, and we can split the money."

No thanks, I'm too busy with my own.

Hairball
December 13th, 2015, 01:58 AM
This is why I get so cheesed at "I have a really good idea. I'll tell you, and you can write it, and we can split the money."

No thanks, I'm too busy with my own.

You got that right, sister!

Schrody
December 13th, 2015, 10:11 AM
This is true. There aren't too many new ideas out there and who hasn't been inspired by reading something written by someone else?

I'm often inspired by science books :)

Schrody
December 13th, 2015, 12:09 PM
I just realized (one of) my novel(s) is similar to "A Scanner Darkly" (well, idea is similar) by Phillip K. Dick, and although I'm his fan, I've never read the aforementioned book! I guess great minds do think alike :D

Hairball
December 14th, 2015, 05:16 AM
I so loved my set of Encyclopedia Brittanicas with the yearly updates I not only wrote a paper about it in my Methods of Research class in high school, but I stuffed the whole thing (shelves and all) into my Ford Granada and dragged it off to college with me. Mom was right behind me with my clothes, stereo, records, and all that other stuff.

Now you can just imagine what I think of the Internet! Woooohoooooo!! Research and history paradise.

Arrakis
December 20th, 2015, 04:47 AM
I can't stand people whom do this. It's despicable. I may not be the most moral human being, but one thing I will never, EVER do is take credit for somebody else's deeds.

In response to the "what's the point" arguments, if the work is capable of making money, some people are greedy and shameless enough to plagiarise--if only it means more profit for them. This is precisely why so many inventions and ideas have been stolen--both in the past and present. In college, I've known some students whom would plagiarise just to get a passing score. [Shrugs] Just goes to show that those people don't believe in themselves enough to try to earn those rewards on their own.

Or, what happens to a lot of people, is that even if they rightly receive credit for their hard work, another person or company could get the legal rights to their work--so they would end up getting most of the money and not the author. That's a big thing you have to look out for when publishing.

In a nutshell, people whom intentionally plagiarise are usually just greedy cowards with no faith in themselves. While I do detest those people, a small part of me cannot help but pity them.

Hairball
December 22nd, 2015, 05:30 AM
I can't stand people whom do this. It's despicable. I may not be the most moral human being, but one thing I will never, EVER do is take credit for somebody else's deeds.

In response to the "what's the point" arguments, if the work is capable of making money, some people are greedy and shameless enough to plagiarise--if only it means more profit for them. This is precisely why so many inventions and ideas have been stolen--both in the past and present. In college, I've known some students whom would plagiarise just to get a passing score. [Shrugs] Just goes to show that those people don't believe in themselves enough to try to earn those rewards on their own.

Or, what happens to a lot of people, is that even if they rightly receive credit for their hard work, another person or company could get the legal rights to their work--so they would end up getting most of the money and not the author. That's a big thing you have to look out for when publishing.

In a nutshell, people whom intentionally plagiarise are usually just greedy cowards with no faith in themselves. While I do detest those people, a small part of me cannot help but pity them.

I understand. But sometimes people do plagiarize unintentionally. When I wrote my book about talking cats, there was a scene in it where some of the cats flew under a bed. I was told to change it because there was a book called "All My Patients Are Under The Bed," by a cat vet who made house calls. I had never heard of the book, but found it on Amazon and read it.

I left it in, because from my personal experience, when someone comes over to visit, at least four out of eight cats here fly under beds.

You have to be careful where there is or is not plagiarism. My talking cats in my book are completely different from Shirley Rousseau Murphy's Joe Grey mystery series. I didn't know about her books until I was halfway through my book. It's not unusual for writers to have the same idea as others, and have never heard of those others.

Plagiarism can be a very fine line. I haven't seen any here, so let's not worry ourselves about it and focus on our own writing and enjoy others' pieces.

escorial
December 31st, 2015, 06:58 PM
I can't stand people whom do this. It's despicable. I may not be the most moral human being, but one thing I will never, EVER do is

i guess we all need rules and reg's but how often do people get judged by others with that notion of one self....

Monaque
January 13th, 2016, 11:16 PM
Sad to hear of people who do this, it does happen out there in the world. Better to be a failure and be original than successful and a copy I guess. Saying that there was an artist (a painter not a writer) who copied many famous works for people here in the UK. He ended up going to jail but when he got out he went back to copying famous paintings, only this time legally, for those who wanted copies of their work I think. As far as I know he made a decent living out of it.
Sad but true.

synpre
January 18th, 2016, 02:17 PM
I believe it is John Myatt you are thinking of (but the UK seems to specialise in art forgers), Myatt's forgeries now sell for up to 45,000. Personally, I quite like that the main auction houses fell for his emulsion and KY-Jelly fakes in the first place.

Schrody
January 18th, 2016, 02:26 PM
Sad to hear of people who do this, it does happen out there in the world. Better to be a failure and be original than successful and a copy I guess. Saying that there was an artist (a painter not a writer) who copied many famous works for people here in the UK. He ended up going to jail but when he got out he went back to copying famous paintings, only this time legally, for those who wanted copies of their work I think. As far as I know he made a decent living out of it.
Sad but true.

It reminds me of this movie - click (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119365/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) And Jason Patric is a hunk ;)

Monaque
January 21st, 2016, 11:08 PM
I believe it is John Myatt you are thinking of (but the UK seems to specialise in art forgers), Myatt's forgeries now sell for up to 45,000. Personally, I quite like that the main auction houses fell for his emulsion and KY-Jelly fakes in the first place.

Yes, that is the guy I think. They are really that expensive? I also paint, and have made a few quid doing it, perhaps I should have taken up forging and spent a bit of time in the clink.
On second thoughts maybe not, I wouldn`t have survived prison.

Monaque
January 21st, 2016, 11:10 PM
It reminds me of this movie - click (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119365/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) And Jason Patric is a hunk ;)

Not seen that one, there have been a few movies centered around art forgers over the years, I suppose they have a mystery about them that ordinary painters don`t.

Schrody
January 21st, 2016, 11:36 PM
Not seen that one, there have been a few movies centered around art forgers over the years, I suppose they have a mystery about them that ordinary painters don`t.

It's pretty interesting - in this one, a forger paints a Rembrandt and no one believes him it's fake!

Monaque
January 23rd, 2016, 10:55 AM
It's pretty interesting - in this one, a forger paints a Rembrandt and no one believes him it's fake!
Really? Maybe I`ll check it out, sounds interesting.

KellInkston
January 26th, 2016, 04:52 AM
A plagiarism thread from... 2011 has been brought back to light?

Well, perhaps these years have reflected well on our offender. I can only hope this one now appreciates the value of one's own work. On the internet plagiarism truly is a crime that is never rewarded, but the real shame is not appreciating your own talent and instead pulling from someone else's abilities to enjoy falsely-received accolades. :-?

Hairball
January 26th, 2016, 09:14 AM
Well, that's why I made my talking cats in my book a lot different.

I didn't know books about talking cats existed before, and after reading them while I was writing my book, I thought, "Oh,no. That's different."

I forged my own way, but it was good to know I wasn't the only one who thought cats could talk.

PrinzeCharming
February 11th, 2016, 03:23 AM
I can only hope this one now appreciates the value of one's own work. On the internet plagiarism truly is a crime that is never rewarded, but the real shame is not appreciating your own talent and instead pulling from someone else's abilities to enjoy falsely-received accolades. :-?

This is why I am so tickled when people use my pictures to Catfish others. I am very flattered they use my images. I have quite a few floating around the Internet. Shhh. I am not that kind of star! =;:^o:read:

However, I question their impersonation, especially around thought and reasoning. I am a very sensual guy. If they copy and paste anything I write, it will never match up to how they communicate. It's something to think about.

Cat
February 14th, 2016, 08:41 AM
What is this catfishing? What does this do?

Your friend,
~Cat

am_hammy
February 16th, 2016, 01:58 AM
What is this catfishing? What does this do?

Your friend,
~Cat

It's just like taking someone else's work as your own, except you're taking someone else's picture and pretending it's you when it's not.

Cat
February 16th, 2016, 03:47 AM
It's just like taking someone else's work as your own, except you're taking someone else's picture and pretending it's you when it's not.

This is a terrible thing! This is of a manner which also they request of money, yes?

Your friend,
~Cat

am_hammy
February 16th, 2016, 03:52 AM
This is a terrible thing! This is of a manner which also they request of money, yes?

Your friend,
~Cat

There's usually no money involved. It's just all lying unfortunately =(

Cat
February 16th, 2016, 04:16 AM
There's usually no money involved. It's just all lying unfortunately =(

This is very bad. Perhaps one could develope a plan to scan one's fingerprint to rectify of one's real identity before becoming of the internet. That may be helpfull, yes?

Your friend,
~Cat

Rina
March 7th, 2016, 12:55 PM
This is very bad. Perhaps one could develope a plan to scan one's fingerprint to rectify of one's real identity before becoming of the internet. That may be helpfull, yes?

Your friend,
~Cat

As I'm an English teacher, Cat, you'll remember how many times I wished papers full of plagiarism would simply explode. Then I could give the tattered remains to the student without having to read it.

LeX_Domina
April 3rd, 2016, 12:25 AM
I wonder if it occurs to anyone that you'll eventually get caught with plagiarism? especially if said person you copied from is exceptionally talented ? You will most definitely be investigated.And if your ability to verbally express yourself does not catch up,you will get caught very quickly.Plus the idea of feeding off of what someone else did

and cat- fishing is creepy.Why be so invested in a lie? And it never pays off because everything falls apart when the truth comes out...the idea makes my skin crawl.

JonathanD
July 13th, 2017, 09:09 PM
I think it's one of the lowest things one can do in writing, it's like lip syncing a song on a stage.

H.Brown
July 13th, 2017, 09:13 PM
That may be so Jonathan but unfortunatly where any writing is concearned or anything creative to be fair there will always be those that steal it and try to pass it off as thier own sadly but I like your anology.

L2me
June 17th, 2019, 10:57 AM
Thanks to the people who worked hard to ensure that this was dealt with swiftly good work.
Let's hope that the people who were plagiarised get the respect they deserve for their work.

Trollheart
September 5th, 2019, 01:42 AM
Luckily my writing is too terrible for anyone to consider plaigarising it! :lol:
Nah, I can't understand how anyone would do such a thing, or want to. There's a special place in Hell for those sort of people. Windows keeps crashing, they have constant writer's block and the gents is ALWAYS occupied JUST when you HAVE to go....

Princesisto
September 6th, 2019, 01:17 PM
Like an old Russian curse: may you have a house of 50 rooms and a stomach ache on entering each room.

Art Man
September 16th, 2019, 02:34 AM
I'm waiting for someone to accuse me of plagiarizing my own work because I am using a new profile on another message board and I was like, "Well, these stories were mine and I threw the password away to the old account." I'm just waiting for some evil ass to cry, "Plagiarist!" and then sue me for using my own creations.

Not really, but amusing thought. I wonder if that has really happened yet.

Art Man
September 16th, 2019, 02:44 AM
Even better, you write and publish anonymously on the internet and someone somewhere else, perhaps another country, claims that he is the author, telling people he knows to watch that blog because he's the author, and then one day you post your photo so your readers can see what you look like and suddenly his lie comes apart at the seems.