Thread: Some pseudo-scientific philosophical concepts.

So, I have some pseudo-scientifical philosophical concepts that I'm putting into something I'm writing(hence the title) that I'd like to discuss and bounce ideas with others over.

Theres two big inter related ones that I'd like to see what others think about and discuss, and since I'm not debating and it's writing related I thought it would be best to pos this here.

So lets get started.

The first big concept is that(to quote how I've written it) "Everyone has a story, and it is all significant". This is specifically in what I'm writing to go against the increasingly popular concept that people today have that only a few matter, that peoples stories don't matter unless they affect their lives, that people aren't as deep as they would like them to be etc. I have the belief that my existence and the existence of people around me is interrelated and only takes one small twist of fate or act of pure chaos in order to become entwined.

The second is a little more pseudo spiritual. In what I'm writing the belief that souls are energy of some type or form is a fact. At a certain point a figure of authority(not a deity) explains taht souls are energy, and when someone dies their soul is released into teh cosmos to become energy one again and move freely, it changes into heat, light, movement etc and eventually when someone is born or conceived energy from the universe is formed into a soul, random energy. So in a way people are not reincarnated or reborn, but bits of a person soul may end up in thousands of others.

So, what do you think?

1: It's how most people say decent stories are supposed to be, that everybody and everything in the story is significant; even though real life is nothing like that.

2: Most readers will know of reincarnation, so you're halfway towards it making sense. Do the other half and it's cool for the story (not that I'd personally be interested in that type of story).

I don't think you'll have too many problems with the first bit. Or in other words, I agree with you and can see plenty of points in your favor here.

For the energy concept, again, I've heard of philosophies that are similar, and your take could be interesting indeed. I am curious to know how this philosophy ties into what you see around you as far as people's similarities, differences, lessons in life, good luck, bad luck, karma type stuff. You could go far with it and I think that would help to round it out and make it credible in your work. My personal beliefs are similar to the extent that we are soul energy, I just don't see us becoming any less whole after death, in fact, more whole and more aware than on this dense planet. What is the genre?

Originally Posted by Mystery

So, I have some pseudo-scientifical philosophical concepts that I'm putting into something I'm writing(hence the title) that I'd like to discuss and bounce ideas with others over.

Theres two big inter related ones that I'd like to see what others think about and discuss, and since I'm not debating and it's writing related I thought it would be best to pos this here.

So lets get started.

The first big concept is that(to quote how I've written it) "Everyone has a story, and it is all significant". This is specifically in what I'm writing to go against the increasingly popular concept that people today have that only a few matter, that peoples stories don't matter unless they affect their lives, that people aren't as deep as they would like them to be etc. I have the belief that my existence and the existence of people around me is interrelated and only takes one small twist of fate or act of pure chaos in order to become entwined.

The second is a little more pseudo spiritual. In what I'm writing the belief that souls are energy of some type or form is a fact. At a certain point a figure of authority(not a deity) explains taht souls are energy, and when someone dies their soul is released into teh cosmos to become energy one again and move freely, it changes into heat, light, movement etc and eventually when someone is born or conceived energy from the universe is formed into a soul, random energy. So in a way people are not reincarnated or reborn, but bits of a person soul may end up in thousands of others.

So, what do you think?

Depends on how accurate you want to get. The first is pretty standard philosophy, and a good message. People shouldn't focus so much on themselves. The second runs into physical problems depending on how exactly you define energy.

I define energy as an indirectly observed quantity. Energy is the omnipotent force that does. It is heart, light, motion etc. It is a single undefined, intangible, and shapeless existence which powers everything.

@Eluixa - Well a lot of that is easy to see how it would tie in. You inherit luck, karma, memories, skillsets etc from souls/past lives so to speak. So for example, a person who is talented at music may have inherited that musical talent from both his parents(genetics, long fingers for a pianist, easy to stretch, good eye-hand coordination) as well as his soul(past life musicians etc, born with perfect pitch). Same with karma, a person who feels as if he is generally unlucky through life may have inherited bad luck or rather bad karma from the fragments of souls his is made out of. Similarly that feeling of "I may have been this/done this in a past life" is actually validated.

Also, I think it is sort of important to mention that souls in this concept aren't made up of equal size or numbers. For example one soul may be made up of fragments of three others, while another may be made up of fragments of ten thousand others. Either may be greater or lesser, it is not the quanity or quality that is a deciding factor, your own souls weight is measured by what is done with it and what it is when you die. To explain it better, the things you inherit, regardless of quantity or quality, do not affect what your own soul can pass on with its fragments, and that is the value of your soul. Yes starting off with higher quality/quantity gives your more opportunity but we all know talented people who do nothing with their time.

The genre is fiction, I'm not sure if it borders more on sci fi or fantasy since it both includes fantasy elements(deities) and sci fi concepts.

If anyone is actually interested in having a brief rundown and discussion on the concept, you can reach me on my MSN.(which i think I have on my profile) The story involved hallucinogenic drugs, Death as an entity, some very complex storywriting manuevres, techniques and perspectives but is mostly set in this day and age and explores a lot of philosophical concepts(death of mind/soul, karma, fate, free will) and a lot of more realistic ones(deception, insanity, psychopaths, emotional attachment).

Also something else I feel the need to ask.

I'm the kind of person that likes beeing kept on my toes, and being given scraps of the truth behind a story, only to find a huge revelation near the end of a book. So thats how I write, I weave my plot in between the lines until I'm ready to dropa big bomb. I like my reader to relate to my characters and feel waht they would if they where in their situations, so a lot of times I create very intricate and deep plotlines. When is it too deep thought? I understand the soul of wit more than most people I know, but i feel that especially in a good story, complexity is necessary.

Also, I have a tendency to have absolute figures in my writing. I don't necessarily mean god(althought in this case iti s a form of god) . I mean characters that are absolute, unchallengable etc. I like teh kind of character that the reader knows cannot die(in a way) yet constantly bring them near. Or the kind of character that cannot be deceived and letting the reader think that they have been. I blame this partially on series like Dexter and Lie to me but I'm not entirely sure god figures are that entertaining to read about because well, they have to chips in their armour. I give them weaknesses(for example Death has several human parts about him that he doesn't like sharing, a form of insecurity and mortality in the otherwise divine). However I'm not entirely sure when im crossing the line of "oh god thats a lot of power I wouldnt want to be him" to "thats awesome I totally want to be him".