Dan

I refuted his arguments with comments about typos (because if you're going to preach on a writing board, you'd better have your stuff together), generalities, and specifics, as well. Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me that he wasn't talking down to anyone who'd be stupid enough to submit to an e-zine that he deems "morally questionable?" I'm an intelligent, grown man, and I know how to handle myself without being condescended to by the likes of Baron.

And how do you know that those involved haven't or don't plan to address those issues? Just because it's not done in full view of the public means squat, which was my point from the beginning. He knows nothing, but still went on and on. It's been made apparent that he has a preexisting ax to grind, so that should be a red flag, as well.

Just because MJW solicited for works here doesn't mean she's in any way bound to expound for those who aren't contributing. No one here owes anyone else anything, and I'd like to see what would happen if I, a relative newcomer, was browbeating a long-time member for answers.

If Baron wanted real answers, I'd bet a polite PM would have gone a lot further in getting them.

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Baron

Thank you for your input here. My only reason for continuing to post in this thread is because I felt that attention was being diverted from questions that I believe anyone who gets involved in this should have an answer to.

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"...even though I have no clue whether or not those involved have actually gotten the answers, but I'll gladly condescend."

That's my problem, right there. Nothing else.

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ArlenOrobono

I saw absolutely no condescension in that post.

Dan

In the thread, Arlen. Not the post itself.

He started off by piggy-backing off another poster who politely asked whether or not it would count as a credit. Oddly enough, that poster got a straight answer...wonder why that is? Anyway, Baron compared it to a blog post, and when I responded about non-paying markets, he launched into his "they can't be trusted because they engage in a business which I find morally questionable" bit, where he's been ever since.

Also, it's painfully obvious he had a previous ax to grind against MJW, whereas in my correspondence, she's been great.

The fact remains that, if you're not getting involved, which he's not, you have no "right" to any answers.

I forgot to add his contention that anyone who'd participate against his wishes was too young, inexperienced, and eager to be published to see clearly. This is all with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

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Baron

Here come the smokescreen again. Mis-representing my posts, judging my motives and again turning attention away from questions that anyone has the right to ask of someone posting an invitation on a public forum. Your personal attacks on me because I ask these questions are particularly unreasonable and irrational as I'm not the one who's making any offers here. Those questions asked are obvious questions that anyone should consider in regard to this venture.

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To interject here, I think it wasn't a bad idea for Baron to speak his views about the e-zine. It's better to have both sides when making a decision, and I appreciate Baron for having said what he said.

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ArlenOrobono

It doesn't make much sense for Baron -not- to ask questions based on the assumption that whoever is interested -will- ask the questions.

Dan

Please...please...show me where I misrepresented you. Judging your motives is fairly easy, because you're wearing them on your sleeve.

I agree with one thing you said: people should consider the questions you brought up, and you have the right to ask them. But you need to agree with me on something, as well: you're not entitled to any answers, and you don't know who's already considered the questions.

Just because you want, doesn't mean you get...especially when, and this can't be stated strenuously enough, you're not participating.

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Dan

Katastrof, Arlen:

Please, for the love of God, listen to one thing. It's not about the questions he asked (though he just said that they're "obvious" questions, so I fail to see the need for him to ask them); it's about his general demeanor, his condescension, and his sense of entitlement.

He's. Not. Participating.

Nor does he want to participate.

He keeps going on about his right to answers, simply because MJW posted on a public forum. However, once he brought up his "publishing ventures" unsolicited, and I asked him what they were, he ducked that question thoroughly. That's hypocrisy.

He compared MJW's business to drug dealing, in case you missed it.

He assumes that because it's a business he finds "morally questionable" he has no reason to trust that they'll operate an above-board e-zine, though the two are completely unrelated.

What more do I have to point out? He started out condescending. Katastrof, if I remember correctly, you're one of the ones he was referring to when he was making his argument that anyone who's submit work was too young and eager to get published to know any better. That's not condescension?

Am I reading a different thread?

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on this whole thing. See you in a more productive thread.

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Baron

Valeca has asked this this trollish behaviour ends. Let people read through this thread, check what's on offer and draw their own conclusions.

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I think now is the time to end the argument, guys.

Baron, it was a valid question; I asked it back on page one of this thread. But it doesn't matter how many times the question is asked, the answer remains the same. There is a potential conflict of interest; time will tell. The information is all out there. Caveat emptor.

Yes, to whoever asked, publication in an e-zine is a publishing credit, but they work on a sliding scale; small, just-started ezines being at the bottom of the scale, probably Strange Horizons being at the top.

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Truth-Teller

Baron is my man.

Anyone who uses work that is not their own is called plagiarism.

Who is worst than a murderer, rapist, or a pedophilite, in the literary world?

A plagiarist.

Mike C

Actually, stupid boy, anyone who uses work that is not their own is called a plagiarist

Plagiarism is the act of plagiarising.

I always thought you lived on a wierd planet. I'd far rather somebody copied my work than raped or killed my loved ones. You obviously feel differently.

And its worse, not worst. And pedophile, not pedophilite.

You're getting worse. Did you forget your medication again?

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lilacstarflower

Ok now I'm confused here.

I'm getting the impression that if I ever actually manage to complete writing my novel, not only do I have to overcome the pressure of getting someone to read it then accept it for being a good story, I also have to have a resume of work I have managed to get other people to publish?

So because I am a first time writer, I have more chance of seeing hell freeze over than seeing my book get published.

God I'm depressed.