Originally Posted by MJW

This is getting too ridiculous, so this is the last thing I'll say in this thread.

Has anyone actually looked at the PANIC Writer site? We do offer other services besides ghostwriting, including resumes, essay consulting, editing, and proofreading. We actually do more business with these other services than with the ghostwriting portions.

Oh, by the way, we're also running a poetry competition now if anyone's interested. The judge is a member of the International High IQ Society. The rules are on the site.

Originally Posted by Baron

As I've already said, when challenged on another forum about the validity of this venture, questions were evaded as they are being here. If you are happy to be suckered then that's your choice. I'd be really interested in seeing what you have to say a few months down the line. Right now you are simply putting forward an argument to justify the fact that you've chosen to fo with a publication that does not yet exist and that is being produced by an organisation that sells essays to students to help them cheat in class, whilst making a promise to respect the rights of authors.

Originally Posted by Dan

Your argument is almost as ridiculous as your typos. The selling of essays (again, a legal pursuit) has no relation whatsoever to whether or not they are trustworthy enough to not steal. None. You're attempting to draw a parallel that doesn't exist. Hey, here's another one: "I can't trust that person to wash my car, because they've gotten into a couple accidents."

If they were passing the work of others off as their own, then there would be legitimate cause for real concern, and we wouldn't be dealing.

I'll be interested to hear what I say in a few months too, so be sure to stick around.

Originally Posted by Baron

The main blurb on your site is for your ghostwriting service for srudents.
Look out, Robert Frost!

When challenged about this by another member of that other forum you mentioned, your response was, "one does what one has to do". Hardly an adequate answer to the question and I am left to assume that this would also be your attitude with work submitted to you for publication.
Yet again, what they do is legal. Stealing is not. There is no correlation. Here's what I think: unless you report everything on your taxes, always go the speed limit, and have never sip-stolen, I am left to assume that you eat puppies.

Having entered and won several reputable poetry contests, I think I'll gladly give this one a miss.

Originally Posted by Baron

You're getting a little into "the lady protests too much" syndrome.

I find it hard to understand why you are so concerned with arguing the case for someone who has already proven on another forum that he is not capable of arguing his own case. Surely this should be about questions I've raised being answered by the original poster, not the ranting of someone who so far has no experience of whether or not this is a venture that will be of benefit to writers. The signs given out by the original poster suggest that this should be treated with suspicion.

Originally Posted by Dan

Hmmm. I'm not surprised that you have a hard time understanding why I might choose to address those questions privately, and not by puffing out my chest on a message board. I'm defending MJW here because your inflated sense of self is giving me cramps, plain and simple. Honestly, I trust you less than I trust her.

Originally Posted by Baron

As this invitation has been posted on a public forum the questions should be raised and dealt with publicly. You can launch as many personal attacks as you wish, all you're achieving is to raise a smokescreen over the unanswered questions that have been posed. A flaming match here is no help to anyone. Do you know what a Judas goat is? It seems to be the role that you happily assume here.

Originally Posted by Baron

Perhaps the original poster could explain why the fact that income is generated by selling essays to enable students to cheat in class should engender trust? Perhaps it could also be explained why "one does what one has to do", the answer to this question given on another forum, should lead me to trust that the same attitude will not be applied to the handling of any work that may be submitted?

Originally Posted by Dan

I'm only speaking for myself, but why would anyone feel they owe you anything?

Perhaps we can get call phone makers to explain why they make phones with cameras and texting features that can be used to help students cheat. Guess what? There's a legal market. Someone fills it. How the buyers use it is irrelevant to the company that produces it. Get over yourself.

Regardless, I hope she tells everyone but you.

Originally Posted by Baron

I have a reputable agent, am involved in my own publishing ventures and have no need of this service. However you continue to make no sense when you suggest that someone who posts a public invitation should not then be required to answer questions concerning it. I hope that you don't get stung on this but your attitude is crying out for it. I repeat my questions.

Originally Posted by valeca

Enough now, gentlemen. If you have more to say to each other, please take it to PM.

Much appreciated.