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plagiato · 03-30-2006, 05:34 AM

ooo 10x for the link man it`s usefull

I`m acctually working on a text titled
"The new Kitcsh - Modern "NEW" as a base for the Postmdern eclectics"

In it I`m trying to proove that plagiarism is a sort of eclectic thinking

petitions author · 03-30-2006, 05:53 AM

Hi, I'll re-read what you wrote after I've had some sleep.

Goodnight! p.a.

Okay, I'm stubborn. I went back and read your post again. The link was from Aeternalis. Helped me also.
Anyway, good luck with your Project, and goodnight. p.a.

plagiarismtoday · 03-30-2006, 05:04 PM

I think some of you might be interested in the latest article on Plagiarism Today: http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=202

petitions author · 03-30-2006, 09:50 PM

"http://www.copyright.gov/laws/"

"http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/intell_prop_rts/toc.htm"

The first link will take you to the Laws that went into affect in 2003
check out Limitations on Actions # 507
For this link take out your dictionary and look up the words;
Accrued and arose, basically they are the same words.

From the second link you go to Criminal Remedies for Copyright Infringement, scroll down to Section - E. Statute of Limitations and click on the E. You'll see what I'm talking about.

I have spoken to Attorneys in at least 5 different States in the U.S.
Many of them from each State. I've researched the Laws extensively. Now I understand why I was told not to try to change this law.
Instead of reading on the subject enough to come to a logical conclusion some people would rather disregard the actual evidence of the laws, and until matters like these are taken seriously there will be no protection.
Your assumptions are wrong.
Attorneys don't like fighting Large Corporations that have proven by their past behavior to drag the case on endlessly. The Corporations have the money, the Attorneys would rather not tap out their resources even if you have a 'Legitimate claim' with factual evidence. It's easier to just disregard.

I know I'm right, I've done my homework.
Good luck with your Projects, and have a great day!

mammamaia · 03-30-2006, 10:12 PM

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I think plagiarism is a very important part of today`s culture.

what do you mean by 'very important'?... would you say the same about rape and murder?

plagiarismtoday · 03-30-2006, 10:50 PM

From your own link:

"In copyright infringement actions, the period of limitation begins on the date of the last infringing act."

In the case of Internet works, that is three years AFTER the work is removed. You are focusing on the wrong thing. You are seeing how long the SOL is, not when the clock starts running.

Even your own words prove the point. Arose and accrued are both past tense indicating that the infringement is over. Even if the infringement does end, tolling an SOL is very common practice in the event the plaintiff could not have been aware that they had been injured.

You don't have to be psychic, the court doesn't expect that of you and I have not found one case where an SOL defense worked in which the plaintiff did not wait despite knowing of the infringement.

Furthermore, the link has no merit in this case as it deals with CRIMINAL copyright matters. We're interested in civil matters.

Think about it logically for a second. Many file sharers that were sued by the RIAA had been sharing for well over three years. How were they successfully sued if they so easily could have played an SOL defense?

Finally, I strongly suggest that you take a look at this page in the Wikipedia which sums up the situation nicely. "...a civil suit for copyright infringement can only be brought within three years "after the claim accrued." A claim accrues every time a work is illegally copied and every time an infringing work is illegally sold or transferred, so statute of limitations defenses are usually very difficult"

There are many things wrong with copyright law and I will gladly fight with you to change them. It is an unfair and biased system with many flaws. However, simply put, this is not one of them. I'm sorry.

petitions author · 03-30-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by plagiarismtoday

From your own link:

"In copyright infringement actions, the period of limitation begins on the date of the last infringing act."

In the case of Internet works, that is three years AFTER the work is removed. You are focusing on the wrong thing. You are seeing how long the SOL is, not when the clock starts running.

Even your own words prove the point. Arose and accrued are both past tense indicating that the infringement is over. Even if the infringement does end, tolling an SOL is very common practice in the event the plaintiff could not have been aware that they had been injured.

The quoted link is what I'm trying to keep in the Law. That is why it is placed in the PETITION. The other links in my last post show that this has changed!!!
Accrued, arose. The Infringement didn't cease. The Laws state that 'No action can be taken,' the Infringement still exists, but the Law will no longer allow any claim for your Rights to your work. Accrued, and arose are past tense because it reverts back to when the actual theft occurred.
Instead of reading Wikpedia for the 'Copyright Infringement', you should have been reading the Actual Laws.
They are in the above links, you can even save them for future reference.

Both links are from The Department of Justice, the new link shows that "the last infringing act" no longer exists. It was replaced with 'arose.'
I'm trying to get it back into our Laws.

Good luck with your Projects, and have a great day!
"http://www.copyright.gov/laws/"

"http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/intell_prop_rts/toc.htm"

plagiarismtoday · 03-30-2006, 11:51 PM

Here's how the law sits today on the copyright Web site:

§ 507. Limitations on actions

(a) Criminal Proceedings. - Except as expressly provided otherwise in this title, no criminal proceeding shall be maintained under the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within 5 years after the cause of action arose.

(b) Civil Actions. - No civil action shall be maintained under the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within three years after the claim accrued.

I believe what's going on is a genuine misunderstanding. I focus solely on civil law, where you can plainly see that the SOL begins after the claim has accrued (or rather, finished accruing). The Criminal law is where the SOL begins after the action arose.

Any action you take will be a civil matter. Realistically, almost no one is charged wth criminal copyright infringement. Even the RIAA doesn't do that. Criminal prosecution is reserved for the most heinous of copyright infringers, people that make and sell bootleg videos, books and so forth.

For the record, the Copyright site was last updated in 2004.

CZ · 03-31-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by plagiato

yes plagiarist is what I wanted to say... and I`m to call myself this way.

I think plagiarism is a very important part of today`s culture.

So uhh, are you for or against it? M. Maia asked a good question in her post, too.

petitions author · 03-31-2006, 01:41 AM

[quote=petitions author]The quoted link is what I'm trying to keep in the Law. That is why it is placed in the PETITION. The other links in my last post show that this has changed!!![quote=petitionsauthor]

http://www.copyright.gov/laws/

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cyberc...op_rts/toc.htm

I got so mad I screwed up. I'm tired too!

The first link was inserted because that is what it stated to be fair. I am stating that this is Un-Constitutional and that our Rights should revert this back to 'The Constitution', and the 'Bill of Rights', giving us the full 70 years after death, not a mere 3 years after theft.

Congress made things even harder with their changes.
I'm so sorry, I have been extremely busy working on this with practically no sleep Since March 24th. I'm edgey, too much coffee, etc...
You are given the opportunity to download the Copyright Laws with one of the supplied links. The Irony, if you can see it, is that the Laws aren't Protected by Copyright, but the 'Fair Use Doctrine' applies.

I think there is a misunderstanding going on. Thank you.

Good luck on your Projects, and have a great day!

plagiarismtoday · 03-31-2006, 02:05 AM

Ok, I think we just about have it nailed. This link is on the Department of Justice site and deals only with criminal prosecution of copyright infringement claims. The title of the page says "FEDERAL PROSECUTION OF VIOLATIONS OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS".

The word prosecution pretty much means criminal.

While it was worrisome that they changed the law in such a manner, it appears that the civil statute has remained the same. Thus, it doesn't appear to affect what most copyright holders will be going through. Still, I think your keen eye might have alerted us to a potential future problem.

I'll have to keep an eye on this element of copyright law to make sure that it's not about to change. Then again, with the RIAA filing so many suits, it doesn't seem likely.

I guess them having our government in their pocket isn't ALL bad.

petitions author · 03-31-2006, 02:27 AM

Hi,

While I was copying the links, I noticed that they are voting on a new Bill.
I didn't get a chance to read it, but if you go to the Thomas law link,
click on the new Bills search you can find it, somewhere in there.
I'm going to have to read it also, so I might not be back for a while.
Wish me luck on my progress, the way Congress moves Bills around I'm gonna need it.

I have to sleep now. I dream about this stuff, it's horrible.

Good luck with your projects, and have a great day! p.a.

plagiato · 03-31-2006, 03:34 AM

@ "what do you mean by 'very important'?... would you say the same about rape and murder?"

that was hard... "who will throw the first stone!"

all I`m sayng is that there is no NEW things in today`s culture. "Everything new today is just well forgoten old"

Good example of this is the Fantasy genre. If you are familiar with the tales of Andersen or brothers Grim you will find their philosofy in this so modern genre called fantasy. It`s generally old stuff told in new way.

and CZ I`m defenetly FOR it

CZ · 03-31-2006, 04:02 AM

If you're for plagiarism why don't you get the hell off this site, then?

And good luck if you try to plagiarize my published work, I don't care if you try and move to Antartica, my newspaper will come down on you like a ton of bricks and your name won't be worth the space it takes up on the work you steal.

plagiato · 03-31-2006, 04:16 AM

.... if you want this so badly

I`m speaking about way of thinking... not about copy/paste

I`ll gladly read your works and tell you from who you was expired