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Old 04-02-2006, 04:40 PM   #16
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Not true. Milton was self-published, and quite famous and highly respected for what he did.
I certainly agree with you on this Tony, but the original post stated "I have seen ads for both" - inplying not true self-publishing, but a vanity that used such in its marketing.

Here's a few definitions:

Vanity - a printer that promises to do much, but usually breaks the spirit of the agreement by hiding behind the fine print.

Subsity - a polite way of saying "vanity".

POD - a printer that specializes in printing small runs as they're ordered.

Self-Publish - the writer organizes it all (though may contract out specific chores).

The problem comes from the fact that Vanity Presses are quick to jump on industry buzz-words, such as POD and Self-Publish.

If you're considering using a vanity press, you may as well self-publish - you'll spend less money to get your books and will have a higher return for each sale.

The POD sites that I've seen seem on the up-and-up, but even their usefullness seems questionable compared to doing it yourself. They don't seem to offer bulk discounts, so you won't get store-sales through them. Local sales can easily be done through your home, with higher return per sale. There may certainly be some situations where they are okay - maybe for sales at Amazon etc?

As to whether to self-publish or to solicit traditional publishers, it depends on several factors.

Format - Novels are especially hard to successfully self-publish, while local histories are tailor made for it.

Business savvy - If you are unable to put together at least a simple spread sheet of expected (realistic!) costs and incomes then let the publishers do it. If you can put together a full fledged business plan (and it indicates a likelihood of success), then go ahead and self-publish.

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Old 04-03-2006, 10:06 AM   #17
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Business savvy - If you are unable to put together at least a simple spread sheet of expected (realistic!) costs and incomes then let the publishers do it. If you can put together a full fledged business plan (and it indicates a likelihood of success), then go ahead and self-publish.

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Totally agree. I'd extend that advice to anyone who vanity or POD publishes too, if they ever expect to sell more than 5 copies to immediate family and close, charitable friends. I find it both tragic and funny how many times, on various writing forums, you see people who've gone the whole route without ever giving any thought to how they sell them after. Plan for the worst case scenario, and don't spend more than you can afford to lose. Make your business plan realistic and honest - the only person you'll be lying to is yourself, unless you're trying to borrow the money to finance the project, and lenders can spot mistakes in a business plan from a mile off.
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Self-publishing sounds like the author is running the show. Wasn't Dan Brown a self-published author at one time? Look how he turned out.
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I'd like to check out the books of the self-published people on here. Any links?

And, Dan Brown just wrote an exceptional book. Same with John Grisham. Most people won't have hits like these.
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I know they wrote good books (was John Grisham self-published, too?) I would also like to see some self-pulished books that forum members have.

I also have a question. How exactly do you market your self-published books? Ask bookstores to sell them, internet, mail order, advertisements?

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I also have a question. How exactly do you market your self-published books? Ask bookstores to sell them, internet, mail order, advertisements?
all of the above... plus arranging readings, book-signings, lectures, or whatever other way you can think of to get yourself and your book out there to be seen and hopefully bought... it takes lots of time, money, effort... and most often won't result in even breaking even, much less making any profit...

self-publishing is really just good for those who want a few books to give to family and friends... success stories are way too few and far between to count on yours being one...
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I would also like to see some self-pulished books that forum members have.
We are all still waiting for a response self-published authors...
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Hmm. I self-published a chapbook called The Delicate Hush. About half of the poems are online here.

I don't have any way for people to order the chapbook from me -- I sold it in stores back in the early 90s, and I've never put up an online shopping cart. I suppose I should do that.

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