Call for writers! The Renascent is looking for short storie - Writers Forum

thestateofart · 09-29-2005, 03:38 PM

If you have a great short story or poem and would like to be published- please follow this link:
http://www.code-interactive.com/state/lit/4.html
We're looking for recent works for the upcoming Renascent.
Cheers!

mammamaia · 09-30-2005, 10:52 AM

are you looking for free stuff, or are you paying?

thestateofart · 09-30-2005, 11:01 AM

Thanks for your interest.

We offer a venue for writers to be showcased in an internationally distributed publication. We at The Renascent pride ourselves on our free submission policy, but this limits the amount of compensation we can offer for accepted authors.

Thanks again!

The Renascent Team

mammamaia · 09-30-2005, 11:09 AM

limits?... as in you pay something, but not much?... so, how much does your limited amount amount to?

thestateofart · 09-30-2005, 11:45 AM

The link above describes the submission and approval process. To be very clear- there will be no monetary compensation to the authors selected. It's an exciting project to be a part of, just ask the painters selected in the first edition- unfortunately, we cannot pay for entries. If you would like to donate to the project so that we can offer monetary compensation, we would be glad to discuss this!

Thanks

The Renascent Team

mammamaia · 09-30-2005, 12:00 PM

'but this limits the amount of compensation we can offer for accepted authors.'

...that definitely contradicts, 'there will be no monetary compensation to the authors selected,' don't you think?

...it's really best to be upfront about wanting freebies, you know... clearly implying that 'limited' compensation will be paid and only admitting when pressed, that all work must be donated for free [then asking for a donation of cash to pay them!], is not the way to instill confidence in those you hope to talk into donating their work...

...no discussion needed, thanks...

thestateofart · 09-30-2005, 04:06 PM

mammamia: We're not asking for freebies. The writers retain the copyright of their works, but grant us permission to publish each work. We're offering a venue the writers can utilize to promote themselves, get their name to a wider audience, network with other writers, and get published. I consider those to be forms of compensation. If you'd like do discuss semantics, we can do that in a more suitable venue, but it sounds like you want to end this string. I'm fine with that.

To everyone else: Please don't let this rhetoric deter you from submitting your works. This is a great opportunity to be a part of an extremely exciting project. We look forward to hearing from you!

The Renascent Team

mammamaia · 09-30-2005, 04:16 PM

excuse me, but if writers are not paid for the use of the works, then they're 'freebies'... how can you honestly/logically claim otherwise?

fyi, writers retain the copyright to their work even when published in paying venues... you don't seem to know much about the publishing business, if you can claim that as a benefit to letting you publish their writing...

and i'm certainly not implying that no one should allow you to use their work... all i'm doing is asking that you be up front about it not being a paying venue... what you claim is 'compensation' is no more than they get here, or anywhere else that's free, on the internet... but, they also need to know that having work appear in non-paying e-mags or whatever does not count as 'being published' in the real publishing world...

some of the folks here are very new to writing, and i feel they need to be made aware of just what it is you're offering... and you're the one using semantics, to try to make something seem to be what it's not... i'm just clearing up the confusion for any who might want to accept your 'invitation'...

thestateofart · 09-30-2005, 04:57 PM

This is taking a turn I hadn't expected.

Logically, I can claim that what we're offering is not a freebie because I define freebie as something that is given with no compensation (monetary or otherwise). You can argue that compensation should be relegated to strictly monetary payments, but I think that you agree that there are other forms of compensation, particularly the value networking. Ironically, you put the word freebie in apostrophes, indicating that the word is not universal, and that I should take your definition of the word as standard. Theoretically, you could have insisted that what I was asking for was Schnickles instead of freebies. I wouldn't know what you mean, so I wouldn't necessarily agree.

What it basically comes down to is that you can call it whatever you'd like. What we're asking and what we're offering was clearly defined in the submission policy found at the end of the link above. It is possible that you wanted me to repeat the policy on this forum, but I was reluctant to waste space (something, I see, you have no problem with).

It seems that the differential advantage with our product is that it is an expertly designed printed book. It appears that this forum is strictly a website. I'm sure I don't have to explain the significance and value of the printed work on paper to you, so I will leave it at that.

Since you are such an adamant advice-giver, I think I may return the favor. You put a lot of your words in quotes. Instead of writing things that you are trying to imply, I suggest that you actually write what you mean. Also, I am using semantics, the study of language meaning. What I didn't want to do (and have failed) is talk about that here.

Please let me know if any of this is unclear. I'll be anxiously awaiting your reply.

Ralizah · 09-30-2005, 05:16 PM

All she's saying is that you should make what 'compensation' the writers get upfront and clear, so as not to mistake your 'compensations' with 'monetary compensations.' I think that's fairly reasonable. Give it a rest, please, the thread is becoming nothing but redundant bickering.

Anyhow, I have a few questions that I couldn't find answers to in the link:
What are the word length restrictions?
What genres are you looking for?

mammamaia · 09-30-2005, 05:37 PM

thanks for the backup and getting this back on track, ralizah!

i don't see anything to be gained by my replying to this poster any further... you stated my point quite clearly and succinctly, so consider things 'rested' on my side, at least... let's hope it'll be bilateral...

hugs, m

Hound · 09-30-2005, 06:45 PM

Why must every post like this turn into a pseudo-sophisticated flame war.

Maia, you complimented Ralizah for backing you up. How about, as an even bigger compliment, you reply like she did next time someone shows up at WF with a similar post. "Like she did" refers to her having read over the website first, and then posting straight to-the-point questions in a nice manner.

For all you know, stateofart is doing all of this to benefit the writers, and he simply, unknowingly muddled up his initial post/s with contradictions and missing facts. We aren't all perfect.

Oh, and is your "Shift" AND "Caps Lock" key broken?

~Dave

valeca · 09-30-2005, 06:49 PM

Thank you for the post, thestateofart. I'm sorry you weren't more favourably welcomed in this thread, but I'll take the opportunity now to wish you well in your venture.

You provided a link -- from there, the mildly intelligent individual should be able to find all the info they need. Alternatively, they can always PM you with specific questions, yes?

Again, welcome and good luck!

semtecks · 09-30-2005, 07:10 PM

Awww, Valeca, you're no fun. I like to see Mammamia grill th submission people . . . it's fun, entertaining, and blood is usually spilled.

Anyway, StateofTheArt, I'll take a look at your site and maybe submit something if I can find something worthy I want to submit right now.

valeca · 09-30-2005, 07:18 PM

Such is the lot of the Mentor, semtecks

Chris makes the staff sign in blood stating they'll be 'fun.-suckers'. Really. It's true*. I gave something like a pint.

...or, I could just say, "neener!"

*Totally and completely false statement.