Sam Winchester

I'd wager that's because at that stage, TT had already a reputation for being an ass. However, take a look close at the post and you probably see good reason for the snide reply.

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SevenWritez

Oh, I know of TT's stupidity. I wasn't defending him, just saying I noticed it was either Mike or Lin who usually had to take out the garbage. But whatever, looking at it now, yes, GoL could be Truth. It explains the stupid name.

lin

Why?


Something to think about here. Do you see Walter Mosley or Donald Goines or whoever describing characters by saying.. Oh yeah, he's black?

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The Backward OX

Flawed reasoning.

If this were so, I'd be seeing Charlie Chan on the pages of every book I read.

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The Backward OX

If the main character was hung like a stallion . . . . . .

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The Backward OX

There is such a thing as a Search facility on this site.

Duuuuuuh. Oi nivver tort o' dat.

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GodofLiterature

We've been brainwashed to believe white is superior--that being white is a better race--all throughout history. Go ask the Native Americans living on reservation, the Inuits, Blacks, the Mexicans, the Irish, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Korean, and whatever the fuck nationality immigrating to the U.S. Who do you think we emulate? Why do you think we're forced to learn the white man's tongue, this so called English language? Why is it so hard to accept it? Why do you deny it? Even your president or prime minister apologized for the atrocities commited against the aboriginals living in Australia. You guys could blow away, literally slaughter tens and thousand of men, women, and children just for encroaching upon your "land," stealing your food.

So what do you expect? Listen to the minorities. I am a minority. When I read a book--all the characters are white. Why? Because the writer is white. There is probably more white writers than there are of ethnic colors. Why? Because the English language is a white man's tongue. We've been brainwashed. A white person is the hero in the movies and cinema. A white person is far better of suceeding in life than a black, hispanic, Asian person: they make more money even on the same socioeconomic skill or labor. If the writer was Afghan or black, I would assume all his characters are Afghan or black, because we're giving him the benefit of the doubt. This "Asian" "Hispanic" "Black" writer made it in the industry, they broke the system created by white people. On the same token, the brainwashing is so bad, I don't want to fucking read any stories about an Asian, Black, or Hispanic. I just want stories written by white people, narrators replete with white characters. The brainwashing is so bad I find ethnic writing distasteful and boring, and shy away from Hispanic, Asian, Black writers, seeking only "whiteness." Why? Because I was raised in a culture that insinuates being white is better. An Asian man can not write as well, or good enough, as a White man. Or they can't speak properly or have thick accent. This is what I hear, constantly, in the media. It's not flawed reasoning... it's brainwashing. Do you understand, OX?

The Backward OX

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Originally Posted by GodofLiterature Do you understand, OX?

I suppose I can understand where you’re coming from.

Your reasoning skills are abysmally bad; it is difficult for you to grasp an abstruse concept. But you were born that way.

Whatever, I guess I work with what I’ve got; I’ll attempt to explain it in a different fashion:

Compared to the oriental, whitey is a minority.

And as a consequence of this fact, when you say “If you want to stand up for the minorities, then go ahead.”, it is proper to single out as meaningless your remark “Otherwise, a reader will always assume the main character is white.”











(An angel sat on my right shoulder and told me to delete the remark I had posted down here, as being in poor taste. So I did.)

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lin

Then you might want to check into a clinic.

By the way, the guy is lying about being a minority. It's part of TT's new secret identity.

Notice he still thinks his immediate environment is "the world" and he is "we".

And still rattles off the undigested lefty boiler plate.

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Zyphial

I can't offer any statistics, but I'm predisposed to assume a character whose race is undeclared is defined by the role they fill. That's just because I tend to see far more white characters on television and in films, as little of either that I watch, and so I've fallen somewhat into the pitfall of completely unfounded racial stereotyping, at least in the media. Essentially most characters I read about seem like white middle class Americans at first, unless they're stated otherwise or speak with a recognizable accent. In my defense, quite more often than not, these characters turn out to be white middle class Americans. Race is often times - in my experience - reserved for stereotyping even in books. Sad state of affairs, isn't it?

A lot of assumptions about character race will probably be made in this way. I can't speak for anyone but myself, as I'm not a mind reader, but I can offer my personal experience.

Nataanii

I do not think that is true, unless the reader is a complete racist, but yes you should let the reader know what race the character is---IF it's prevalent to your story, then yeah you should. I think, but it's the way you do it. Like in my romance novel, (where it is definetly necessary to provide the races of my characters) one of my main character's is black while her love interest is white, but to describe those facts I put something like:
"Bill (the white male character in my story) looked at Isabella (the black female character in my story) and was amazed at her silky brown soft skin. He could've cared less that she was an African American, he still wanted her because of her incredible beauty."

See? Now common sense would tell the reader what race Isabella is.....she's a black girl...unless you know a white girl with brown skin? (lol)
When you put your character's race, you should do it in a describing way. Not just come out and say: African American Jennifer Brandon..."
Do it by describing what she/he looked liked: His/her brown soft skin or his/her bright blue eyes and sun bleached blond hair, etc. that way, common sense would tell the reader what race your character is without you having to spell it out for them like they're dumb. That's just my take on it. Also to back up that I'm right, read a film script....they never come out and say: "white male Robert walked into..." they describe the character's race by describing what that character looked like, describing their outside features. Again that's just my take.

lin

WHY would that make somebody a racist?????

You read a book, you get a picture of the character, don't you?

Does that mental figure have a color?????

Is that image of somebody of your own race?

Does that make you a fucking RACIST?????????????????

Get a handle.

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seigfried007

It doesn't make anyone racist. Everyone reads with some generic image on the characters until the author steps in and says 'btw, you're image is wrong.'. Most people have a character looking something like them or what they would like to look like at first. Nothing wrong or racist about it.

The image changes based on what a person does and says and any additives the author throws into the mix.

Some readers don't like to be told they're wrong late in the book so stating the race, age, gender and features of a person later isn't a good idea usually. It's not racist so much as it's a rude surprise. Like telling them on page 300 that the sky isn't blue on this world or that the MC is missing a limb or three. It's not relevant necessarily but it throws the reader out of their comfy interpretation of the world.

However, if you state early on that the Mc is a fire-point Siamese, we won't be so surprised when he plops down and starts licking himself.

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Nataanii

damn i was joking people...christ grow some balls for humor.... lol