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Old 05-15-2008, 05:32 PM   #16
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Anybody have any general advice about alternate perspective within a novel? For instance, in a complex storyline with many different perspectives and angles, how can I handle this without creating a big mess?
Make sure that you make it clear whoes POV you're using and that the characters are different enough to be able to tell apart. If your characters have the same views and quirks then having multiple POVs doesn't really have much point.

I usually start a new section when I change POV by leaving a line blank or putting some sort of symbol between the two different POVs or scenes.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:46 PM   #17
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Patriot,

I agree with most of the responses above so my responses will overlap some of them.

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’m beginning a fictional novel called The Orion Brigade that is set in the Star Wars universe. I have a detailed plot set up in my head, and I’ve been thinking about the project for about a year. I’m very serious about sitting down and writing my first novel. I know that it may be impossible to publish it, but I hope to finish it for my personal satisfaction.

I think you're on the right path. You might find that you can write as a profession as you maximize your talent after learning so much from trying to write this.

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I’m interested in knowing a little about character development and plotline. I want to cover a scene that takes place about twenty years before the actual novel begins, but should I do this in the first chapter or a prelude?
As others have stated, you can most certainly do that but more often prologues are an attempt to deposit exposition into the story whereas the exposition might be better layered throughout the story. The reader doesn't need to know everything. And sometimes the initial confusion can heighten suspense and keep the reader motivated to learn more about the history of the character.
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As for character development, I’ve actually searched for templates from expert novelists, but I cannot find any. I want to really be serious about this, and that means seeking some advice. If anyone has any general advice for young writers, please share it with me. I have really enjoyed some of the general information and resources found on this site.
As for seeing your characters, I know some writers envision an actor playing the part and use his features (or hers). I think it is a very successful method to make your character come alive in your mind, especially when you begin. Eventually the image will take its own shape as you write.

In general, I think understanding how the quest works in a story, along with the concept of showing and not telling, is key to learning how to write a story.

All stories are a quest and have at their most basic a beginning, middle, and end. You said you've already plotted so I'm probably covering familiar ground.

The Beginning

The quest starts your character's journey from an inciting incident that reverses his world and his goal is to set it straight.

The Middle

In order to set the world straight, the character will take an action that requires the least amount of energy. It won't work and this begins your middle where there are constant obstacles that keep your character from achieving his desire.

The End

Ultimately, there will be a final test that will take all your character's strength to achieve his desire and in this final climax where he achieves, or does not achieve, his desire, the meaning of your story is revealed.

This is your main plot. But most stories contain a couple subplots that involves other characters. These other characters also have their own quest that supports the main plot. It's in these subplots that the story is shaped as your main character interacts with the other characters. Each character has a beginning, middle, and end, each with his own desire. By plotting these characters you can develop your characters more fully than maybe generating an image of them. But picturing your characters certainly doesn't hurt!

This is just general advice and there's so much more detail but I'm sure people will respond if you ask more questions that are more specific.

Good luck!
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:38 PM   #18
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It's really a sad thing that you have to be so arrogant. This IS my first novel, and I simply am asking general questions, looking to get some nuggets from some of the more experienced writers of this forum. I AM trying to do the best I can, and if you do not want to answer my questions sir, you do not have to.

In your mad rush to insult me, you misunderstood my post about alternate perspective and took it as a post about handling a complex storyline in general. That is what a novel is. A novel is a complex storyline. Alternate perspective is something I need to learn a bit more about. That is why I made the post.

I do not plan to publish this book. I simply want to write a novel. I know the ins and outs of writing, but there are some (yourself included) who could offer some really helpful general advice. Please do not be so condescending.
Why not just write it then? I can understand why you want the answers, but I can assure you that must of them will mean jack all once you start writing that novel. I'm not saying you shouldn't be prepared when writing your novel but talking about alternative POVs and technical jargon won't help you as much as you experimenting and finding the right way for yourself. Isn't that half the fun in itself? Creating a new method to deal with a problem?

It's your story. Only you can decide which way is the best way of writing it, nobody else.
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I appreciate all of your help and advice. I've always been told that one of the most rewarding things an individual can do is complete a novel. This has been such a cool experience for me...working on a story in my head for just about a year now. I know that I'm not going to be the best writer over night, but I'm really excited about just getting started with the actual text.

I have several long pages with notes about characters and their purposes within the story, and I also have several summaries of various lengths. I took the common "snowflake" method and added and took away from it as I saw fit. I'm going to have some time this summer before I head off to college to work on the thing, so that's a good start, I guess.

The novel itself takes on the Star Wars universe, but it really talks about the world we live in today. I'm sort of using symbols within the story to speak about ideas and issues we face within modern society. This is just a fun experience...I can't describe it...I'm a state champion speaker, but writing is a whole new ball game...

Hmm...what about naming individual chapters? What are some various methods that some of you find useful?
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Naming chapters isn't really nessesary, but I tend to pick something vague and short that relates to the chapter. Though to be honest that's more so I can remember what happened in which chapter so I'm not endless searching through word documents to find something I can't remember that's suddenly become relevant.
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Naming chapters isn't really nessesary, but I tend to pick something vague and short that relates to the chapter. Though to be honest that's more so I can remember what happened in which chapter so I'm not endless searching through word documents to find something I can't remember that's suddenly become relevant.
In my latest effort, the chapters are merely numbered. However, I did use a short (3-5 word) title for each chapter and scene in the initial draft. That made it very convenient when I needed to find a particular spot in the manuscript later. Since I used Word's Heading 1 style for chapter numbers (suitably redefined, natch) and Heading 2 for scene breaks, I could view the Document Map and jump to the beginning of any scene or chapter with ease.
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