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Old 04-22-2008, 11:01 PM   #16
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I think "And 14 Reasons You May Be" or something along those lines is the rest of the title.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:10 PM   #17
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It only takes one strike on this one, TT.

NOT BEING A WRITER OR HAVING ANYTHING TO OFFER THE MARKET.

Being a whining idiot would also work, but since you don't write anything and can barely express yourself verbally (e.g. you signature line) your ass is out.
Was that directed at me? I can't tell.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:20 AM   #18
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The book's highly recommended by many, though I haven't read it.

As far as I'm concerned, #1 is the distillation of all the others. Your book's not good enough. The other 25 are just reasons why its not good enough.
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:50 AM   #19
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Culled from a prominent editor, Pat Walsh:

1. Your book is not good enough.

2. You do not revise your books or never revise it again.

3. You think too highly of yourself

4. You think you are a natural

5. You think writing is easy.

6. You listen to false praise.

7. You do not know what you're talking about.

8. You do not care about language

9. You cannot tell a story

10. You preach.

11. You do not realized nobody cares

12. You are a copycat.

13. You do not have style.

14. You have too much style.

16. You do not kill your darlings

17. You use bad metaphors and similes

18. You sacrifice clarity for "art."

19. You do not know grammar.

20. You do not care about syntax.

21. You do not know enough vocabulary.

22. You read your writing aloud too much

23. You have tin ear for dialogue

24. You do not know your audience.

25. You do not trust your audience.

26. The number one reason why your book will never be published is because you have not written it.
Truthy m'love, are you sure this wasn't just a personal letter to you in response to a manuscript you sent out?
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:59 AM   #20
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Harsh, Loulou, harsh.


But funny!
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:45 AM   #21
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TT, I've noticed you're very fond of espousing other peoples' advice, let me offer you another great quote:

However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Winston Churchill
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:46 PM   #22
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27. You are a nattering, knuckle-headed, nitwit troll.
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:46 PM   #23
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(Please excuse spelling mistakes if you see any. My spell checker (once again) bit the dust, and unfortunately, that's never been one of my strong suits.)

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1. Your book is not good enough.
Subjective. I've read books that have prompted me to sit there and think, Good Lord, someone actually likes this? But other people have liked them, so what's "good enough" varies between people.

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2. You do not revise your books or never revise it again.
That... That I'd usually agree with to some extent. However, it's not always the case.

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3. You think too highly of yourself

4. You think you are a natural

5. You think writing is easy.

6. You listen to false praise.
I do think writing is easy, and funnily enough, I am published. There goes that never. Am I perfect? Absolutely not, and it took me a while to get to the point where I found writing to be easy. I used to be a lot worse at it than I am now.

False praise is pretty subjective too. Sometimes people actually mean what they say, it's just that no one else agrees.

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7. You do not know what you're talking about.
Dear God, if only that was a case for not being published. Just look at tons of mystery books, and you'll see so many instances where the writer clearly has no idea what they're talking about. Even some of the famous mystery writers have problems with that.

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8. You do not care about language
That goes with others on here as well (13, 14, 17, 19, 20, 21). I offer to you a new rule:

Thou shalt not rephrase the same thing over and over again. KISS.

It won't keep you from being published (as shown by the book this apparently came from), but it's a good thing to follow anyway.

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9. You cannot tell a story
More subjectivity. The book you read must have sucked, to deal with opinions and then add the word "never" on to it.

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10. You preach.
Another thing I only wish. But nope, people stick in their preaching all the time, and it still gets published.

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11. You do not realized nobody cares
I care. Hence, that's incorrect.

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12. You are a copycat.
More wishing. There's little originality left these days.

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13. You do not have style.

14. You have too much style.
Subjective again.

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16. You do not kill your darlings
Even more wishing! I can't remember the last time I read a book in which the main good guy keeled over (the antagonist dies all the time).

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17. You use bad metaphors and similes
Unfortunately, that tends to get by too.

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18. You sacrifice clarity for "art."

19. You do not know grammar.

20. You do not care about syntax.
I'm just going to stick all of these under wishing again, because I don't see any decent advice in there, and I've seen books with all of these.

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21. You do not know enough vocabulary.
Vocabulary is a bitch. I specifically remember sitting in a creative writing class with a girl who had a large vocabulary (although I strongly suspect she looked it up when she needed it) and who wrote all of her stories with it. It made her work distracting, the point was lost, and it just sounded so egotistical.

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22. You read your writing aloud too much
I fail to see how this would be a problem.

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23. You have tin ear for dialogue
Still wishing (maybe I should just start using "" to indicate that). People tend to suck with dialogue, and I've made a few mistakes in that category as well; it was picked up by a peer editor, but it slipped past the publication editor.

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24. You do not know your audience.

25. You do not trust your audience.
There's an audience? No one tells me these things.

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26. The number one reason why your book will never be published is because you have not written it.
Unless you get a ghost writer.
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:56 PM   #24
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27. You are a nattering, knuckle-headed, nitwit troll.
Is your sole purpose on this forum to call me nitwit, dimwit, and asshole?

That's Lin's and MikeC's job.

Is this some kind of new trio?
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:58 PM   #25
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(Please excuse spelling mistakes if you see any. My spell checker (once again) bit the dust, and unfortunately, that's never been one of my strong suits.)

I fail to see how this would be a problem.

There's an audience? No one tells me these things.
This is why you write the way you do.

Literature is dead, right now. And you're in the slush-pile.
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:10 PM   #26
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Ah, you need to actually read her post, TT, not just the parts you want to refute. She IS published. That's kinda the point.

So when are you going to put up some work for critique, TT? It's been a while.
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:18 PM   #27
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Even more wishing! I can't remember the last time I read a book in which the main good guy keeled over (the antagonist dies all the time).
I think 'kill your darlings' is supposed to mean revise and edit. It's one of those overused phrases like show don't tell.

I'm surprised that's not on the list.
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This is why you write the way you do.

Literature is dead, right now. And you're in the slush-pile.
TT -

I was about to write a note asking everyone to lighten up since you posted what seemed to me a fairly informative list and a constructive post. But then you go and respond to an equally constructive post with this drivel.

Oh well, off to critique. Have fun getting slammed.
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:24 PM   #29
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Is your sole purpose on this forum to call me nitwit, dimwit, and asshole?

That's Lin's and MikeC's job.
No, we're just at the front of the queue.
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Old 04-23-2008, 02:35 PM   #30
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So Truth, do you ever plan on posting any work? I mean, if literature is dead, and Stephen King is a God, then surely you're the missing link.
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