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03-25-2008, 08:40 PM
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Ink Slinger
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Okay, I think everyone needs to take a chill-pill.
Firstly: Ox, what the hell did I do to you? Sweep the bullshit out of my arse? Let me tell you something: If I start doing something, I usually become good at it. It's not my fault. It's just the way God made me. And anything I've said isn't bullshit. I do play guitar. I'm not claiming to be Jimi Hendrix, Slash, or Eddie Van Halen. I can play guitar by ear. So what? Lots of people can. I don't know why you've turned antagonistic against me all of a sudden. Jesus.
Seigfried: we seem to have got off on the wrong foot. I wasn't insulting you. I was saying that I've seen things you couldn't believe. Not I've seen things you haven't seen. There's a difference. I always respect the person who's done the work and give them my critiques in a good-mannered way. I'm just saying that telling them it's brilliant when it clearly isn't doesn't help anyone. Doesn't mean you tell them in an arrogant way. You can do it respectfully. Have I not said this a million times already?
You seem to take everything I'm saying as disrespectful, and when you start hearing that tone in someone's posts, there's no turning back. Let me set the record straight: I have not said anything in a derogatory or condescending way - to anyone. If you misunderstood or misconstrued, I'm sorry.
Sam.
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03-25-2008, 08:47 PM
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Best Seller
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Wow, what a glorious gang bang we have going on here. Please people, just get over the grammar; I don't think anyone is a grammar Nazi here. All WD wanted was some advice from the Critique and Advice section. He didn't want to be bashed with the "grammar is too important" stick over and over again. Why does everyone have to chime in to pick on a member? All he wanted was know how to stop getting line-by-line editing.
Writer Dude - Please stay. I know some people have been DBs but the rest of us like reading your stories (I liked the USS Blackheart) and I would gladly give you some critiques purely based on idea merit; not on grammar.
EDIT: Goodwin's Law
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Last edited by Katastrof : 03-25-2008 at 08:50 PM.
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03-25-2008, 09:07 PM
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Ink Slinger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Winchester
I have not said anything in a derogatory or condescending way - to anyone.
Sam.
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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester
Good riddance.
Sam.
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¿Qué?
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I view with distaste the excretions polluting this site, suffering when I read another by-product of the boredom of one with access to a computer and the internet. As I read I feel I am being defecated on, and cling to an idea that one day I may find solace in the words of one who takes pride in their work.
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03-25-2008, 09:12 PM
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Okay, I did go a bit overboard, and I apologize for it. That just shows how annoying I think complaining for something you asked for (or appeared to ask for as his case is) is.
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03-26-2008, 04:00 AM
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Adept Writer
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You silly writers with your silly egos. This is perhaps the best work of fiction (you know, a load of bullshit presented as truth) I've read from this site yet. Keep up the good work!
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03-26-2008, 04:20 AM
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Maybe it should be moved to the workshopping thread to protect the collective copyrights...
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03-26-2008, 05:33 AM
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Ink Slinger
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Originally Posted by The Backward OX
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What are you - fucking French! WriterDude was saying he wasn't sticking around because of the fact that he was getting critiques about grammar. I said, 'good riddance, if you can't handle a bit of criticism, then this really isn't the site for you'. Now maybe that's derogatory where you come from, but for me it isn't. And I meant nothing by it. |
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03-26-2008, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sam Winchester
I said, 'good riddance, if you can't handle a bit of criticism, then this really isn't the site for you'.
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Not derogatory, granted, but maybe a little abrasive? |
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03-26-2008, 05:46 AM
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Ink Slinger
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Perhaps, Mike. If it was, I apologise. But Ox has suddenly taken a dislike to me for some reason. Maybe it was because of the whole 'Submit Box' thing, Ox? Let's not start a personal war here. That's the last thing I want. I had one of those with MsWordup and I ain't doing it again.
Sam.
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03-26-2008, 05:48 AM
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Best way to end an argument is not to participate in it. I don't think the Ox wants a war, he just likes to play.
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03-26-2008, 07:53 AM
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Sam, that's Spanish, I believe. Not French.
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03-26-2008, 07:59 AM
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Mentor
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:rubs forehead:
Sam, what I've been saying is that we've been agreeing pretty much this whole time, and it doesn't seem like you realize it. I say "Be honest and diplomatic with critiques" and you fire off "But I am!" when I wans't necessarily talking about you (and said so in another post). Everything I've said, you've had some quip for indicating that I somehow must have been talking about or to you.
I said I can believe a lot, not that i've seen a lot. I can believe a lot more than I've seen. Never seen a car bomb go off to know they exist, Sam.
I'm not reading your posts as being spiteful--only slightly whiney in that "I'm perpetually misunderstood" kinda way. I agree with lots of your posts, but this is just silly.
So, may I correctly summarize our dialogue like this?
1. Be honest
2. Apply the Golden Rule to critiques (treat others like you would like to be treated)
3. If you're asking for a critique, post what you're looking for towards the top of the post in case of skimmers. (or at least put such a guideline in there somewhere)
4. Experience is good, but where you don't have experience, research will have to do.
5. Teenaged writers are worth encouraging
OX often seems the type to play around--he's rather cantankerous from what I've seen  And that's not French because France doesn't get into the double question mark thing. That's a Spanish thing. |
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03-26-2008, 08:14 AM
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A note on #3...put that sort of stuff at the end in my opinion...lead with your writing.
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03-26-2008, 08:42 AM
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1-5 (3 negotiable) good stuff. Most of all, be honest.
I can't help feeling, 6 pages down the line, this thread is a lot of wasted breath. People critique in different ways. Some like to pick through the grammar, and are often damned good at it. If you're not interested, take no notice. Others will ignore the grammar and critique the story itself - again, if you don't like it, ignore it. If you want to know whether Aunt Maisie is likely to knock off her family members with a gun, or whether a bomb is more believeable, tell people that's what you want to know. You'll get the answers you want.
But never, ever, criticise people for trying to help, even when the advice they offer isn't what you're looking for. They might not do it again.
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03-26-2008, 08:57 AM
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Ink Slinger
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Originally Posted by Seigfried007
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Sam, what I've been saying is that we've been agreeing pretty much this whole time, and it doesn't seem like you realize it. I say "Be honest and diplomatic with critiques" and you fire off "But I am!" when I wans't necessarily talking about you (and said so in another post). Everything I've said, you've had some quip for indicating that I somehow must have been talking about or to you.
It just seemed that way. I apologise for thinking like that.
I said I can believe a lot, not that i've seen a lot. I can believe a lot more than I've seen. Never seen a car bomb go off to know they exist, Sam.
Seigfried, please don't get mad when I say this, but you may know something exists, but to actually witness it is a different thing entirely. People can watch car-bombs or people getting killed on television. That doesn't compare to actually witnessing it happening. There is a huge difference. Don't misconstrue this as me being condescending or anything like that, because it isn't.
I'm not reading your posts as being spiteful--only slightly whiney in that "I'm perpetually misunderstood" kinda way. I agree with lots of your posts, but this is just silly.
I agree that this has gotten out of hand. Let's just start afresh.
So, may I correctly summarize our dialogue like this?
1. Be honest
2. Apply the Golden Rule to critiques (treat others like you would like to be treated)
3. If you're asking for a critique, post what you're looking for towards the top of the post in case of skimmers. (or at least put such a guideline in there somewhere)
4. Experience is good, but where you don't have experience, research will have to do.
5. Teenaged writers are worth encouraging
Yeah, spot on.
OX often seems the type to play around--he's rather cantankerous from what I've seen And that's not French because France doesn't get into the double question mark thing. That's a Spanish thing.
Yeah, I realise that now. I shouldn't have lost it like that. |
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