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Old 11-15-2006, 03:11 PM   #1
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Planning Your Masterpiece

Hi everyone! Now I know there are lots of opinions on this, but, what would people say are the key elements of planning fiction and in what order?

For example, do you think characters are more important than plot or does one lead to the other? How do you strike the balance between lovely descriptive passages and plot development?

I'd welcome all views here. I'm afraid I'm one of those who thinks of a plot OK, but then I find I race through it too quickly. It's like I can't wait to find out what is going to happen in my own stories!
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Old 11-15-2006, 03:57 PM   #2
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So basically, you're asking: how do you write fiction?

See also, the rest of the forums.

Sorry, but this is a terribly complex issue, which is constantly being discussed all over the forum. Is there a more specific issue you are trying to get at?
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Old 11-16-2006, 03:09 AM   #3
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agree with safari - you're going to have to give us more to go on. As for the general question of how to write fiction - you can figure that out yourself by READING lots of it.
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For example, do you think characters are more important than plot or does one lead to the other?
This really depends on the storyline itself. I guess it also depends on whether you write in first or third person's point of view, in first person you look at the story and what's going on through the eyes of your character, third person is like being the audience and witnessing everything.
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Old 11-16-2006, 08:10 AM   #5
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Well, I would say.. Write your story, race through it if you want, then you read through it and make adjustments
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Old 11-16-2006, 10:30 AM   #6
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imo, the key elements of planning good fiction are [in order]:

1. story

2. plot

3. story/plot

get the point?
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Old 11-16-2006, 11:38 AM   #7
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And in mine (to plagiarise myself from posts elsewhere)

Good fiction is about people doing stuff.

Start with people (characters), then make them do stuff (plot).
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Old 11-16-2006, 02:31 PM   #8
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I tend of have this dilemma a lot also. There are lots of perfectly valid ways to go about it, but sometimes they aren't appropriate. For instance, because I write because I "have something to say", it's very difficult to know where to start. All I know initially is that I have a general point to get across, and now I need to find characters and situations to convey that point, and hope that a coherent plot flows from that.

And it's hard. If you want your peice to be convincing and not just some contrived and obvious message book, if you want it to be enjoyable to people who like characters, and enjoyable to people who like plots, and just all around fun to read... It's hard.

It so happens I'm having this problem right now, only I'm even fuzzy on the message. But here's what I do. If it helps, great. If not, I'm sure you'll get your inspiration in good time.

I start with a scene, something that illustrates or at least provides a platform for whatever I'm trying to say. Usually the scene starts as a convergence of circumstances, and then I plug in a vague notion of what sort of characters I think might work best for it.

From there, I flesh out the general ideas that could create such circumstances and then look for ways to exploit them for more support and character ideas. That sort of percolation takes a long time for me, usually months. This is all well and good consider how little time I actually spend writing.

Eventually, bits and peices will start to crystalize, making it easier and easier to form plot connections, flesh out characters, and to establish a workable timeline. Once that happens, however, it's time to brutally assess whether or not my prized scenarios work well enough for what I've got. Sadly, the answer is often no.

There's a line from the movie The Two Jakes (the sequel to Chinatown) that one of my college writing professors liked to quote. It's something to the effect of "you never know what you could have been like under different circumstances". I took that to heart, because like him, I see the whole "character versus plot" war is kind of silly. Of course it's true that if your characters do things "that your characters woudln't do", it's going to be bad. That's a strike against the plot-driven mode of operation. But it's also true that if your characters don't do anything intersting, no one will give a crap how much fidelity they have. That's a strike against character-driven modes. Of course it helps to have interesting characters. But the Joker is a fanstastic character, as is Batman. But that doesn't mean plenty of episodes of Batman didn't suck because the plot was nonsense.

Anyway, that quote. If you're like me, take it to heart. The idea is, if you find your characters aren't doing what they would really do in order to follow your plot, change your plot. But if you find you'd rather have the plot, change the characters. It's a dance, and for my mode of writing, it's a necessary dance. Because my motivation is to "say something", I must do it, even though it's more difficult and (much) harder to revise.

YMMV.
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Thank you to everyone for the advice. Apologies for the vagueness of the question - it was just a burning issue in my mind at the time and I was hoping for a spark to get me going again. And thank you too for being kind and helpful to a floundering newbie!

Particular gratitude to Cynic for all his assistance - that quote was very relevant to an old story of mine and inspired me to reread and revise once more. Much happier with it now.

By the way, what does YMMV mean?!
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Your Mileage May Vary. Glad I said something useful.
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