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12-27-2006, 01:56 PM
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Ink Slinger
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Wait... now I'm confused. So showing someone your work, ANYONE your work destroys first rights? Say a friend or a professor critiques your work... first rights are out the window? What's the point of workshops then? I'm feeling a little miffed as I write this... but maybe I'm wrong? I dunno. Maia help me out here.
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True or not, I doubt any publishers would be able to find out if you gave it to a friend to read. Or gave it to a professor. Or got it workshopped in a class.
I also know that one of my professors has her husband read her manuscripts before they are published to get feedback. I think Stephen King also has his wife read his work.
Again if that were true, it would be hard to catch someone from doing that. Unless that friend or family member decided to print thousands of copies and give them away.
Also that would kind of render MFA programs kind of useless since a lot of people work on a novel and short stories and poetry that they would want to publish once they go through the workshop process. |
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12-27-2006, 02:28 PM
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Writing Machine
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Originally Posted by Raging_Hopeful
Wait... now I'm confused. So showing someone your work, ANYONE your work destroys first rights? Say a friend or a professor critiques your work... first rights are out the window?
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No, that was misinformation posted by sii and given apparent weight when lookbackinanger called me a tosser for challenging it. They're both wrong. Don't believe everything you read in online forums.
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12-27-2006, 02:43 PM
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Ink Slinger
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Originally Posted by Omnius
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Originally Posted by sii
I wonder if the workshop mentality applies to handing a friend the story to critique or a professor, as in that case the publisher still doesn't have the first right
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Yes they do. Please don't guess if you don't know.
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I think the confusion stems from Sii's paragraph being worded poorly. His paragraph is saying that one you do not lose first rights by showing it to a friend.
So then when Omnius says that Sii is wrong then it sounds like Omnius is saying that showing your work to a friend causes you to lose first rights.
EDIT: Nevermind I read it wrong.
Last edited by gohn67 : 12-27-2006 at 02:45 PM.
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12-27-2006, 03:02 PM
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Writing Machine
Join Date: Jan 2005
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You could always send your basic ideas, if you've a running series, to the patent office for copywrite. It costs about $35 dollars. But this probably only works for just the basic premise, rather than indivual stories. The patent office has a site that explain it better.
http://www.uspto.gov/
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12-28-2006, 10:45 AM
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Wordsmith
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sorry, but you can't copy right ['copywrite' means to write copy] ideas... only completed works... and the patent office is for patents, not copyrights... here's the site you want:
www.copyright.gov
in the uk:
www.bl.uk
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12-28-2006, 12:58 PM
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*blink blink* Wow...uh. Thanks for clearing that up. *smirk* Okay fine, well... I only post stuff in the workshop place now because I've become increasingly paranoid... of course, its all based on my wildly optimistic belief that someday I'll be published. What silly bullhonkey!
Cheers.
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01-03-2007, 10:01 AM
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Best Seller
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Omnius is intuitive. I did not say he was a tosser (he might be though) I alleged he was impotent which explains the allegedly curt and (some might say) condescending tone of his posts.
Tosser = Jerk Off or wanker.
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03-15-2007, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by elibats
I didn't know until about five minutes ago that posting somethiing in the critique and advice forum means you lose the right to submit it anywhere else. Is this true for the whole site?????? Because if so, I better start taking some things down...
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Not true for the workshop, but you won't get much review there since it's everything jumbled together and a lot of which gets overlooked, *especially* if it's long.
Other than that, yes. You give up your FPR by posting anywhere else, meaning that this site is sort of self-defeating, or a self-proclaimed NOOBS ONLY site and proud of it, neither of which do anybody any favors. |
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03-16-2007, 09:24 PM
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Mentor
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Originally Posted by PandasAndChippo
... meaning that this site is sort of self-defeating, or a self-proclaimed NOOBS ONLY site and proud of it, neither of which do anybody any favors.
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Or any harm.
I think it would be a good idea if someone sought some qualifed advice on this issue, rather than relying on second hand knowledge.
To that end I am intending to contact a number of literary agencies in Australia about this issue, and I will post their opinions upon receipt.
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03-16-2007, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Talia_Brie
Or any harm.
I think it would be a good idea if someone sought some qualifed advice on this issue, rather than relying on second hand knowledge.
To that end I am intending to contact a number of literary agencies in Australia about this issue, and I will post their opinions upon receipt.
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You would do well to realize that there are different laws in different countries. In Japan, fan-based works off existing franchises can be sold for profit and are thereby encouraged. Shit, it's even free advertising, what's not to like? But in America, that's called copyright infringement.
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03-17-2007, 09:27 AM
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Mentor
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You would do well to realise that you blatant self-promotion completely negates your capacity to offer an opinion on this issue. Anything you add to this discussion is inevitably biased.
In the future, don't YOU ever try to tell me what I would do well to realise. I shit things that are more intelligent than you.
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03-17-2007, 10:44 AM
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Of course it's biased -.-...so is everyone else's posts, or they wouldn't post them.
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03-18-2007, 12:39 AM
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Prolific Writer
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Originally Posted by Talia_Brie
In the future, don't YOU ever try to tell me what I would do well to realise. I shit things that are more intelligent than you.
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Wow, that's a strong statement.
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03-18-2007, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Devon
Wow, that's a strong statement.
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Not so much as it is a funny one. When a turd goes to a university, let me know, I'll even have a good laugh then! |
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03-18-2007, 01:15 AM
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Ink Slinger
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Bush went to Yale; does that count?
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