Split up Crit and Advice - Writers Forum

RussellN · 04-05-2006, 03:52 AM

Items are appearing on this forum faster than we can catch up - in 24 hours I have to go to page 2.

Can we split it up into at least three forums please- just so we can keep up with the post rate.

Russell

04-05-2006, 11:33 AM

i don't understand how splitting the forum into three would help you keep up with the increasing post rate. wouldn't it just be easier to click page two than to go into a completely different forum? it seems that the problem isn't with the forum, but that there are many more posts. there's nothing you can do to keep up with that than to read more, faster, or be more selective about what you comment to.

could you possibly clarify yourself a bit more?

vodka

Oasis Writer · 04-05-2006, 12:17 PM

I don't think this would be affective at all. Cracking one massive forum into three would cause, to what I think, more problems, specially when Critique and Advice is all one type of Forum. If it were spilting Fiction for Speculative and Realism, then it's understandable, for me, but breaking down one Forum becasue post rate, I think wouldn't benefit this site. Poetry posting is a lot faster, you poem could be by page 5 within two hours. So, I think vodka is right and be more selective on what you read, do it a little faster or, subscribe to the threads with the Tread Tools, and then click Watched Posts when you got time to go through them.

Selorian · 04-05-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oasis Writer

I don't think this would be affective at all. Cracking one massive forum into three would cause, to what I think, more problems, specially when Critique and Advice is all one type of Forum. If it were spilting Fiction for Speculative and Realism, then it's understandable, for me, but breaking down one Forum becasue post rate, I think wouldn't benefit this site. Poetry posting is a lot faster, you poem could be by page 5 within two hours. So, I think vodka is right and be more selective on what you read, do it a little faster or, subscribe to the threads with the Tread Tools, and then click Watched Posts when you got time to go through them.

Isn't this reason one of the same you used for the splitting of fiction? When you think about it, it makes as much sense as the one you suggested. Critique & Advice gets works of any length, unlike the short story and fiction forms, so there are more posts at a faster rate. If it was broken down into three based upon genre, it would be easier to do. If it is good for one cause, then it should be good for another, right? (Remember what I said in your thread about what would happen.)

I stand by the arguments I made in this thread.

Rico · 04-05-2006, 01:33 PM

just a comment, but selorian, that link refuses to take me anywhere.

Selorian · 04-05-2006, 01:43 PM

Thanks, Rico. I had an extra http:// in there. Fixed now.

Oasis Writer · 04-05-2006, 02:16 PM

There's a difference between what I said, and what's being offered here. Mine was to seperate two types of Fiction, not create three Forums about the same thing. There is a wide difference. What's being asked here is we pretty much expand to Critique and Advice 1, Critique and Advice 2, and Critique and Advice 3. That is unneccesary. What I requested, is that we break apart a type of Fiction. Such as we have Non-Fiction and Fiction. There is a difference.

Selorian · 04-05-2006, 02:47 PM

I really don't see a difference. The same logic could be applied to the Crit & Advice request - break it up into speculative fiction and fiction critiques, for example. Or it could be broken down even further. No matter what though, it may be just as valid a request as yours was.

It's just that when one starts, it's kind of hard to deny another, when they both have equal merits. Then it becomes an instance where it seems maybe favorites are being played. My point is its just a matter of whose opinion.

That being said, I'll let this be decided by the others now.

Oasis Writer · 04-05-2006, 03:38 PM

I still don't see a the simularity. The Critique and Advice Forum, right under it, says, "Works seeking critique, advice or assistance." Works, is for all of it. There would be no reason to break it apart, because it's for any story looking for help. While Fiction, is being bombarded with Fantasy, Sci-fi, and Horror, and Realism that has been written, or writers looking for a place for it are being ignored. So, I don't know, I still don't think breaking the Crit. and Advice forum is a good idea, because it's for all works for help. And I may be killing my own request by what I'm saying, but I still think this is not neccesary.

pgoroncy · 04-05-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Oasis Writer

I still don't see a the simularity. The Critique and Advice Forum, right under it, says, "Works seeking critique, advice or assistance." Works, is for all of it. There would be no reason to break it apart, because it's for any story looking for help. While Fiction, is being bombarded with Fantasy, Sci-fi, and Horror, and Realism that has been written, or writers looking for a place for it are being ignored.

I'm not sure I see a difference here: Critique and Advice is for any story that needs help. Fiction is for any fiction story. So if you want to break fiction up how is that any different from breaking Critique and Advice up?

RussellN · 04-05-2006, 06:53 PM

Okay - perhaps I chould have explained a bit better. When I suggested breaking into three forums, I was thinking of something like:

Critique - Sci-Fi and Fantasy
Critique - other genres
Advice and Questions

The reason being that we get a number of simple question posts (not research posts) mixed in with larger critique posts.

Or perhaps it could be based on the length of the post, although I prefer a basic genre split.

The reason is that most of us are busy and can only spend a small amount of time on the forum. The better laid out the forums are, the more productive your time on them is.

Russell

Oasis Writer · 04-05-2006, 07:19 PM

You know, I'd still have to say no, and thinking strongly on it, I think I'd have an iffy vote on mine. That is way to many Forums on one site. Specially when it's getting so large as it is now. Breaking apart one Forum so widely would not give any time for Moderators and Mentors to do there own works, because then they are going to be stressed moving posts over and over again, and wide-spanded over three threads. Questions and Advice thread as already been made, so there is no use for it. The Writing Tips and Advice is for tips, questions, advice and so on. And...I think Critque and Advice is just for all posts, is says right there under it that it's used for all works. So, I'd stay at a no. If you really want to get around and post on everything, then you'll just have to go down the list and do it quickly, but otherwise, I'd subscibe to the ones you want to read, turn off the email notification, and come back when you got time. Otherwise, I'd stay at no.

mammamaia · 04-05-2006, 07:27 PM

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Critique - Sci-Fi and Fantasy
Critique - other genres
Advice and Questions

major prob with the third is that 'critique' and 'advice' must go together... how can you critique something w/o giving 'advice'?... and when we critique, we often must ask 'questions' in order to give a valid critique... so, how on earth you think those can be separated and make any sense, i just can't imagine...

Selorian · 04-05-2006, 08:02 PM

See, the only solution when wanting to divide these forums is by genre, as I suspected was Russells original idea, and that is where I was drawing the comparisons between the two seperate requests. It was also the reason I felt if one was done, then it would be hard to say no to the other. When looked at in the simplest terms, both requests are about work moving to fast and not getting the feedback they deserve. More forums would alleviate this problem, but eventually it would be simply overwhelming and confusing for staff and members alike.

Also, the Advice and Critique proposal doesn't make sense. Any general questions for advice actually belong in the Writing Tips & Advice forum, not in the Critique & Advice forum. If the question isn't about a story that is posted at the same time, then they shouldn't be put in the C&A forum. I know I've seen them there and moved them, but I haven't done so as often lately. Maybe this is something staff should start enforcing more.

FinnMacCool · 04-05-2006, 08:18 PM

I agree, I only got one comment in mine and now its disappered