Guitar_chick133

I was just thinking about two characters in the story I am working on. they fall for each other, but so far I havn't had them do anything with each other, even though there are other sexual referances scattered in it, I never found it something they should do, at first, then I kind of wondered if I should. it's not that I mind writing it, I don't, it's just I don't know if it makes a difference.

Erik Buchanan

I think you've answered your own question there, but here's my thoughts anyway:

Sex scenes are rarely necessary (though often fun). In some pieces they represent the climax (pun intended) of the story, and in others, give us an insight into how the characters feel, or something similar. In many pieces they are just there for titillation (or amusement) value.

In a short story, you don't want anything extraneous. So, if them having sex and the audience reading about it will drive the story forward, go for it. If not, don't bother.

Charlie_Eleanor

Okay, from your title I was just going to say "Yes, a sex scene is always necessary."

But, the truth is, if you don't think it is necessary don't do it. Be confident in your own judgment. Afterall, you know your characters the best. You created them.

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Damian_Rucci

I think it is up to you, the writer. Sex scenes aren't always needed but can show the true feelings for two people and how their characters are coming together.

Buddy Glass

Wait a minute. Rarely necessary? Just there for titillation?

I couldn't disagree more. Sex scenes, if present in a good work of literature, are rarely unnecessary (unless you're reading Updike). Read Ian McEwan's First Love, Last Rites, James Joyce's Ulysses, Haruki Murakami's Norwegian Wood - all good examples of literature that features plenty of sex and/or sex scenes. None of them, in my opinion, are unnecessary or just there for titillation.

A sex scene, because they've often been subtle, cryptic or simply neglected in literature of the past, can be very powerful if treated efficiently. Sex is not as shallow a phenomenon as people think. Rather, it provides an interesting platform for the depiction of human nature and all that it entails. I mean, come on, it's the 21st century - if you're writing about lovers they're bound to have sex so don't tap-dance around it. Sex should no longer be a taboo.

Rumrunner

Keep in mind that this thread has been posted in the scripts & plays category. In a script format, you have a limited number of pages in which to construct your story; every scene essentially must drive the story forward. There are exceptions, perhaps, when adding a scene specifically for crucial characterization, etc. But they must nevertheless add to the dramatic momentum in some way. You really can't get away with including non-essential scenes, especially if you're trying to sell something on spec.

For this reason, if you don't think a sex scene is essential, then it's better to leave it out and put the pages to better use. It can depend a little on your intended audience, of course -- if you're writing a Jessica Alba vehicle aimed mostly at 20-something men then a steamy sex scene may indeed help it sell. But I think you can err on the side of caution and leave it out; especially since so many sex scenes tend to be terribly written. Not saying yours will be, of course, but it's better not to open yourself up to potential weaknesses, especially in a spec script. If the producer / director really want one in there, they'll ask for it in revision.

Often times, too, there's a lot more intriguing drama and human nature to be explored when characters do "tap-dance around it," as Buddy Glass put it. Think of the on-screen chemistry between, say, Bogart and Becall, compared to the lack thereof of many of today's stars & starlets who just jump right in.

--Rumrunner

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Shawn

Or right after one another!


Really, though. If you want a sex scene... do it. If not, don't worry about it. Something as simple as a suggestive comment can do in some places. In others, it might need to be more explicit (not as in pornographic).

I really wouldn't know.

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Damian_Rucci

exactly what I was going for!

Erik Buchanan

First off, if you are capable of reading James Joyce's Ulysses, then you are a better person than I.

Second, you've given four examples, and I'm afraid I haven't read any of them but I will trust you that they are good examples. You've also said the key words: If presented in a good work of literature.

In good literature, there is nothing extraneous, including the sex. Unfortunately, good literature is hard to find. If you look at the shelves you will find far more books (Updike among them, with the possible exception of The Witches of Eastwick) where the sex is there just for the sake of adding a little erotic effect and adds little to the story.

Thanks, Rumrunner, for the reminder that this thread is under scripts and plays, which makes it an entirely different beast from a novel.

On stage, if that's what you're writing, sex rarely works. It usually looks contrived and rarely erotic or meaningful. Unless you've got very good actors, offstage sex usually works better.

On film, I give the same answer as for stories. As Rumrunner pointed out, your time is limited. Put nothing in that doesn't advance the story. Especially for a short film. If you feel the sex is important to the story, include it. If not, don't waste the precious time you've got.

Guitar_chick133

sorry about that , i said story in that i was talking about the "story" of my project ( script) but I also write short stories as well.

lin

You can show the progress of the relationship without steamy scenes.

Which either fit the mood of your story, or don't. You are the one who decides that.

But you don't even need smoking cigarettes. All that's required is her coming out of his bath in a robe, or him popping out in his shorts to grab her newspaper on the lawn and raising the eyebrows of the nosy old bitch next door. Etc.

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C_K

Sex scenes are cliche, although you can definitely imply it. If by scene you mean more than a few lines, then yeah it's always wasteful unless the story itself is about something or something major happens during the sex scene.

I prefer using sexual tension and innuendo, but I rarely would do a sex scene.

Just my opinion.

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Buddy Glass

How on earth is it cliché? It's not cliché if it's written right.

lin

It's hard to even start dissecting all the things wrong with those two seemingly simple sentences.
Best bet would be just to ignore them completely.

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C_K

Well, I guess I need to start prefacing my comments with the disclaimer: "This is my opinion."

But if you would like to continue this pseudo-debate or if you would like further explanation, you can send me a private message. One at a time, please.

-CK