Drzava

Yes, precisely the point I made earlier

Crazy_dude6662

why did everyone forget the knackers?!?!?!?!

lowest of all scum in ireland!!

they live in caravans and filth, robbery and attacks follow.

instead of disposing of things, or going to a camp site.
they set up where ever they please, be it park, car park, school yard or feild. they just chuck rubbish out of windows! there are always pile and plies of rubbish when they leave.

and they get away with it by saying things like
"your prejudice!"
"other people put it there"
"we didnt do it, theres no proof!"
they NEVER pay taxes. they steal and they have WADS upon WADS of 500 euro notes. the rich fuc**rs!

also in terms of correctnes they prefer to be called "travellers" but they are still knackers, or tinkers if you perfer!

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Mike C

I'm not sure exactly what point you wish to make here, unless it's (a) you're more ignorant than I thought, or (b) you're more offensive than I thought. Possibly both.

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Drzava

Are you even reading my posts?

The word colored person has negative connotations to it, but it is still used in modern times in the form of NAACP. Just because of that it isn't right to call a black person that, so I fail to see how there being a Gypsy Council makes it okay to use that word.

In the 50's the word gyp became popular to use, "I got gypped by the car salesman." It as an offensive word from the past, much like the word nigger is. We have found more acceptable words without any sort of negative connotation to it, the only people that use 'colored person' or 'nigger' nowadays tend to be racists, much like the people that use the word 'gypsy'. When you think of gypsy you think of a thief or a scammer, when you think of Roma you think of an ethnic group. Sure, gypsies are an ethnic group, and, of course, every other racial slur is one also.

Mike C

Are you failing to read mine?

I'm not interested in any quaint terms you may have for gypsies. I cannot understand what level of intelligence you're working on here. Let me spell it out. Gypsies call themselves Gypsies because it's what they are, what they call themselves, and the term they want used. Hence the use of the word 'Gypsy' in Gypsy Council. Incidentally, the GC isn't a liberal organisation set up by the well meaning to help the poor, homeless caravan dwellers. It's an organisation run BY Gypsies FOR Gypsies.

"When you think of gypsy you think of a thief or a scammer, when you think of Roma you think of an ethnic group."

You're bringing your own personal prejudice to the table here. The issue isn't about what you think or your own bigotry.

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Drzava

My own bigotry? How have I been a bigot?

NAACP also works for colored people, for colored people by colored people. That's what they want to be called. Nevermind colored people has its origins in quaint terminology, like gypsy, it's what they call themselves so that's what they must be called.

This is quite ridiculous and no matter how many pages I fill up you still won't get the point because you keep dwelling on the irrelevant 'Gypsy Council UK' without bothering to read any posts or even think for that matter

Mike C

Ok, this is getting boring. IN THE UK, Gypsies like being called gypsies. It is not considered a derogatory term. That YOU consider it to equate to thieves etc is bigotry.

"When you think of gypsy you think of a thief or a scammer"

The whole point of the thread is that gypsy does not automatically equal thief. My final word - any more are a waste.

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Back to topic:

Well the reason Cockney Slang exists was to provide an easily understandable language that criminals could talk to each other without it being understood by Police or other people i.e. apples and pears = stairs, dog and bone = phone etc. You could work on a parody of Cockney East London culture.

Another group would be the Highwaymen, they operated just as much in London as they did in the countryside.

The Masons are an interesting group, they were linked with organised crime, sort of the first 'white-collar' crimes so to speak.

The term 'lone-sharks' comes to mind as well, a group of thugs and 'businessmen' who loaned money and charged heavy interest, often threatening violence to get their money back, these were rife in Victorian London and worked illegally.

If you need any help on criminology of the time feel free to PM me, I did my main part of my degree on the subject especially within London history.

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