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07-01-2005, 04:35 PM
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Haiku syllables
What is the pattern of syllables for a haiku?
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07-01-2005, 04:51 PM
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first line 5 syllables,
second line 7 syllables
third line 5 syllables
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07-01-2005, 04:57 PM
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Thanks chaos
I knew the middle was seven.
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07-04-2005, 12:27 PM
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ive heard that 5-7-5 is a western misconception. teachers are taught to tell you to use this fomula, probably because the real formula isn't as easy to 'grade'. I've heard the REAL formula goes like this:
three lines, one thought, easily said in one breathe.
no syllable limits, or restrictions.
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07-04-2005, 12:30 PM
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i dunno if thats true or not, but i think ive heard it from a few sources.
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07-04-2005, 02:08 PM
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It's not a western misconception, but a western adaptation. There are also 3-5-3 syllable haikus.
In English, much of the spirit of haikus is lost when it leans on syllable count. In Japanese, there is rarely a single-syllable word; a haiku is but a few words long. In English, it's easy to write a 17 word haiku, and thus the beauty of the conciseness is lost.
Joe is correct in that sense. Haiku is not wrong if it strays from the 5-7-5 or 3-5-3 syllable count (though I don't know how that applies in Japanese haiku).
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07-04-2005, 08:39 PM
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ahhh, see all this time I've been getting in arguments with my teachers for breaking the syllable rule. Take THAT teachers.
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07-08-2005, 11:50 PM
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Wait a bit,
I thought that there was a simple image that was then extrapolated to either a contrasting or complimentary thought...
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07-09-2005, 12:39 PM
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Yes, Haiku is far more complicated than just syllable count. (I was just explaining the structure of haiku.) I don't feel like typing it all, for it would take pages and pages of length, and I've typed it several times before over the forums. 
Google can provide some more information though.
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