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| Published Poetry Discussion of classic and contemporary verse or lyrics. |
11-20-2006, 06:33 PM
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A look at language(adult language)
This poem is by regie gibson:
Alchemy
PRONOUN/NOUN/PREPOSITION/NOUN
PRONOUN/NOUN/PREPOSITION/NOUN
PRONOUN/ADJECTIVE/VERB/NOUN/PREPOSITION/NOUN
NOUN/VERB/ADVERB/CONJUNCTION/ARTICLE/NOUN
PREPOSITION/PRONOUN/NOUN
this/eroticism/of/language
this/copulation/of/words
this/slow/burning/fuck/of/syllables
poetry/is/more/than/the/sum
of/its/parts
I was utterly affected by gibson's juxtaposition of these two stanzas. In such a simple and unusual way, he's able to display how effective poetry and the language of poetry is beyond its structure. I began to be more careful of my own word usage after reading this, so I just wanted to share it.
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11-20-2006, 07:50 PM
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Juxtaposition! The first stanza is the structure of the second! Yet at the same time it is a juxtaposition... This is pretty neat.
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11-21-2006, 08:48 PM
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COOL!
This should be put in the 'Poetry for Dummies' or something.... really really cool.
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12-04-2006, 11:39 AM
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That is clever - in fact really clever.
I've printed it off and stuck it on the pinboard, but don't you just know someone somewhere will view it as a ready-made formula for building a poem? I don't think it's that at all. I think it's a clever poem that's protesting against ideas of formula and structure. It's a protest song!!!
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12-04-2006, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ross
That is clever - in fact really clever.
I've printed it off and stuck it on the pinboard, but don't you just know someone somewhere will view it as a ready-made formula for building a poem? I don't think it's that at all. I think it's a clever poem that's protesting against ideas of formula and structure. It's a protest song!!!
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Looks to me like a poem that's also protesting the conventional, Cartesian way the typical literati looks at language. Delightful. |
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12-09-2006, 08:43 AM
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instructive and delightful, that's a rare combination suzi, thanks.
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12-09-2006, 12:48 PM
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Absolutely brilliant. I'll have to take another look at Gibson.
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02-07-2007, 02:26 AM
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Oh, I can't believe I didn't say anything about it before...
"This" isn't a pronoun, it's a demonstrative adjective.
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02-18-2007, 02:30 PM
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Holy cow Jolly! Youre right! The way "this" is used in this poem makes it a demonstrative adjective. If "this" weren't modifying a noun, it would be a demonstrative pronoun (as in the sentence: I like this.), but since "this" does modify nouns (eroticism/copulation/fuck), it changes its grammatical role.
Dammit! The poem is slightly ruined for me now. Mean English majors.
I need to brush up on my grammar.
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02-23-2007, 10:08 AM
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'this' is a pronoun at the segmental level the poet has chosen. we can choose to describe 'the' as 'definite article' if we wish, or 'burning' as a gerund, but this is an additional level - much akin to using basic level phonetics to transcribe speech rather than using the full IPA with diacritics.
Sorry, for being a smartarse, but it doesn't ruin the poem at all - further breakdown and analysis of the most detailed description of each of the words used, would ruin it however.
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03-29-2007, 06:31 AM
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Forget the grammar, just wallow in the delicious , voluptuous metaphors in the second stanza.
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03-29-2007, 09:21 PM
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WOW! Quit all the grammar and IPA nonsense, let's just soak in Gibson's beauty.  |
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