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Old 08-26-2007, 05:41 PM   #1
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Sono Hitan no Meiji

Revised with the good advice of Cran and Baron. Thanks to both of you.

Sono Hitan No Meiji

(A depiction of a samurai in conflict during the Meiji Restoration.)

The thrall presses close,
Those that I once called brethren
Now scream for my surrender.
They return my love with warning smoke.

My body unshakable, my heart bleeds free.
It trembles under the weight of their blame.
The product of their hatred emerges, stands before me,
A brother I do not know, with an idea as sharp as the dawn

I let fly the truth, my soul,
Across his eyes and along his breast,
Proving its quiet and dignified sanctity,
That which is right in this world.

The devil’s teeth close, glinting against a bleeding sky.
My truth is sheathed, the message of heaven
Delivered to vacant eyes.
The air ignites. I am reminded of the summer.
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Sono Hitan no Meiji: Original


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Old 08-26-2007, 08:19 PM   #2
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I think more people should see this one, Grim ...

so, bump ...

I'll return and pick the few nits I can feel biting me ...
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:01 PM   #3
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Cran, that is extremely kind of you. I've done so few poems, I was afraid it wasn't up to snuff. Any hints would be more than welcome, and I'd be glad to return the favor, of course.
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Old 08-27-2007, 12:27 AM   #4
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I can relate very well to the last line but love truth soul heart sanctity are squashed in a very small space.
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:12 AM   #5
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I had better begin, Grim, by admitting I know nothing about
the mechanics or styles of poetry ... in fact, what I don't know
could fill libraries ...

So, my thoughts and opinions come from my own view of things,
and the voice in my head which recites for the pleasure of
rhythm and flow ...

Overall, what I'm seeing here is a tableau, or a portrait
in primary inks on rice paper, capturing a moment which might
be seen as justice ... or as retribution ... a powerful subject ...
(or as self defence against murderous family ... a very different
but still powerful subject)

My impression of Far Eastern art (word and image) is the desire
to achieve beauty in simplicity - to pare away anything which
might be extraneous, and leave only the essence of the subject ...

Quote:
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The thrall [is pressed] close [around me], [1]
[What was once my kin now cries] for my destruction, [2]
[They return my love for them] with warning smoke.[3]

My body [is still, unshakable,] yet my heart bleeds free [4]
Trembling [before] the weight of their fear and blame. [5]
The [summation] of their hate is brought to light by a [6]
Brother [that] I do not know, with an idea as sharp as the dawn [7]

I let fly the truth, my soul,
Across his eyes and along his breast,
[Proving to them] its quiet and dignified sanctity, [8]
That which is right in this world.

The devil’s teeth [close], glinting against a bleeding sky [9]
My truth is sheathed, the message of heaven
Delivered to vacant eyes.
The air ignites. I am reminded of the summer.
[1] not keen on the passive is pressed ... I would prefer the active presses ...
possibly don't need around me here ...
if the thrall presses close, then (me) is central to that without limiting the thrall to the immediate vicinity - it could continue beyond the visible horizon ...

[2] what was once (my) kin are the lifeless (murdered?) bodies ...
yet (my) kin remain, for their memories - their spirits - are crying ...
or if I look at it the other way, (my) kin have turned on me and threaten
fratricide ... but, even cast out - disenfranchised - they remain (my) kin ...
you might want to rethink the what was once, if only for the wa wa wa of it ...
and if the kin are more than one, then cry rather than cries ...

[3] They and them suggest more than one kin ...
return my love already indicates that the love was for them ...
you don't need for them ...

[4] in other settings, I quite like reinforcement, but in keeping
with the idea of essence, simplicity, I'm not sure it works here ...
perhaps a single strong verb in the present tense,
instead of is still, unshakable?

[5] one may tremble before the might, but usually one will tremble beneath the weight ... for it is in bearing the load that the weight is felt ...

[6] not keen on summation - too vague -
you could be saying the precis, or the conclusion, or the summary, or the addition ...
or you might be saying the essence, or the totality, or the whole ...

[7] that seems unnecessary ...

[8] to them also seems unnecessary, and even confusing ...
them links to the last group of nouns, so this can be read as
proving to the eyes and chest, or you might be harking back to the kin ...
which would seem more likely in honouring kinship ...
whereas you need prove nothing to the eyes and chest ...

[9] I like this ... could be read as shut or near ...

Summing up, Grim, I like your use of language ...
and I think there is a strong, tight piece waiting to be drawn out ...
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A very nice poem, took my breath away for a moment.
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I think that Cran has given a good critique here. One thing that jumped out at me when I read this, also pointed out by Cran is to lose "that" after Brother in the second stanza.
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Cran,

Thank you for the inspiring critique – I have to say that it’s been the most detailed and helpful I’ve ever had, and I take all of your suggestions to heart. After this, I mean to review the work and re-post it before the original.

Your perception of the Eastern mind and art is remarkably spot-on, and your interpretation of the poem is a relief – at times, I thought I might have been too vague. I could clarify some of the poem – give more detail – but I think it works out better to leave it to reader interpretation.

I know very little about poetry, and decided to take a flying leap on this. Naturally, your reception of it means a great deal. So again, thank you for the excellent advice. I hope you’ll let me return the courtesy.


Amers – Such kindness simply makes the rest of my night. Thanks so much, truly.

Baron – I’m very glad that you could come by. From seeing your posts around debate, I know you to be an intelligent and thoughtful fellow. It’s good of you to visit and offer your comments which, rest assured, will be taken to heart. Hope to return the favor.

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