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    The Act of Standing by a Window and Staring Out

    This is by request from candid petunia, in her thread "So Many Tears" - I had mentioned there that I had hidden away some thoroughly "sad" poems from years ago, never read by anyone. This little moody piece is one of several similar poems written during the worst year of my life (1997). Fortunately life is much better now, in many ways.

    The act
    of standing
    by a window
    and staring out,
    alone
    and in silence,
    is such a
    sad sad thing
    when the day
    is cold
    and damp
    and dreary,
    when you’re
    alone inside
    with nose
    on cold pane,
    your breath
    clouding the view
    of life on the outside,
    the stillness in the world.

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    1997 was the worst year of your life, eh? The year in which all my best friends were born? Shame.

    Just kidding.

    Anyhow, I do like this very much. It isn't very dense, obviously, but it is nice, especially
    is such a

    sad sad thing

    ... a bit of a rhythm going there. Sounds like a mixture between prose and poeticism (which is, apparently, a word.)

    Also, it's been rainy where I live, and I do feel a bit alone sometimes, so that adds to my approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trides View Post
    1997 was the worst year of your life, eh? The year in which all my best friends were born? Shame.
    Lots happened that year, not just to me personally - Lady Diana and Mother Teresa both died - and now I know your friends were born : ) - as for me, it's all been uphill from then

    Anyhow, I do like this very much. It isn't very dense, obviously, but it is nice,
    thanks, glad you liked it - I'd like to think my writing has improved since then too, but these verses did capture well my mood at the time

    especially

    [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]... a bit of a rhythm going there. Sounds like a mixture between prose and poeticism (which is, apparently, a word.)
    it's a good word - even when I write prose it often comes out a bit like poetry, unless I really exert myself to hold back.

    Also, it's been rainy where I live, and I do feel a bit alone sometimes, so that adds to my approval.

    I realize why I bundled up all those old writing journals and hid them away, pretty morose stuff - my life is so much more hopeful now - I hope the rain stops where you are, and spring shines brightly tomorrow, in fair company : )

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    Thanks for the post toddm. If you will allow I will make one observation. I don't see the point of using the short phrases and diction. It seems to conflict with the tone of the piece. Would you mind if I asked why you chose to do it that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flapjack View Post
    Thanks for the post toddm. If you will allow I will make one observation. I don't see the point of using the short phrases and diction. It seems to conflict with the tone of the piece. Would you mind if I asked why you chose to do it that way?
    I don't mind at all - this was typed from my handwritten journal, and it filled the page simply because that's how I wrote it down - I even balanced out the lines and made them shorter when I typed it, toyed around with it several times and this is how it turned out - I'm open to input

    This is another way:

    The act of standing by a window and staring out,
    alone and in silence, is such a sad sad thing
    when the day is cold and damp and dreary,
    when you’re alone inside with nose on cold pane,
    your breath clouding the view of life on the outside,
    the stillness in the world.

    Is this more effective? - it's ok to me, but I'm not pleased with the last line being half as long, even though the rhythm sounds right - plus, written like this, it seems even more brief and prose like - it's not a major work, just a thought in verse, it seemed to stream well the way I had it, but maybe just for me : )
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    I like the first version better.

    Can connect with you here - feel the loneliness.

    Alliteration of the 'd' sound always feels cold to me. Adds to the effect here.
    when the day
    is cold
    and damp
    and dreary
    Like the alliteration here as well:
    staring out,
    alone
    and in silence,
    is such a
    sad sad thing

    your breath
    clouding the view
    of life on the outside,
    the stillness in the world.
    Feels like life itself is cloudy for the writer, like he doesn't want to see life on the outside, prefers to live in a haze... Doing it to himself purposely... And here my heart aches.

    I'd have asked if sharing this helped you feel better , but obviously it's been so long. Writing helps me too, but the burden doesn't lift itself off until I've shown it to people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddm View Post
    It seemed to stream well the way I had it, but maybe just for me : )
    ---todd
    I liked the original better myself too . I suppose I was mostly just curious why you broke it up that way, but you did explain it. It's a very nice read.

    I didn't mention this in the first post but "alone inside with nose on cold pane" gave me chills. I've have been in that state doing that exact thing before. Definitely triggered some memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flapjack View Post
    I didn't mention this in the first post but "alone inside with nose on cold pane" gave me chills. I've have been in that state doing that exact thing before. Definitely triggered some memories.
    I've done that too, but my mood varies. Sometimes, I just like doing it alone. Other times while I'm doing it, I'm lonely and depressed.

    Ah depression! There are times when, funnily enough, you revel in it.
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    You've made the bleak beautiful, Todd, no easy feat. I really like this, both versions, I can't decide which I prefer, in fact. And this is coming from one who loves cold and dreary days. I must echo Farah regarding the alliterations, I'm such a sucker for them and you done real good. This:

    when you’re
    alone inside
    with nose
    on cold pane,
    your breath
    clouding the view
    of life on the outside,
    the stillness in the world.

    literally gut punched me. After over three years almost exclusively in the house due to ill health, in a million years never could I have expressed the loneliness so succinctly. I live across the street from an elementary school, watching the people from my window happily coming and going, living real lives, made me so very envious and heartbroken. Exceptionally well done, love. Being me, I fear I must say the following, for me, there is solace in solitude, best to lick the wounds in private. I'm glad you've found a better place, you've a wonderful attitude all around.

    Best,
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    Hi, Toddm. Several observations. I do like the first version because visually it looks like a long teardrop. Like a visual onomatopoeia.

    onomatopoeia (ŏn'əmăt'əpē'ə) [Gr.,=word-making], in language, the representation of a sound by an imitation thereof; e.g., the cat mews. Poets often convey the meaning of a verse through its very sound. For example, in "Song of the Lotus-Eaters" Tennyson indicates the slow, sensuous, and langorous life of the Lotus-Eaters by the sound of the words he uses to describe the land in which they live:
    Here are cool mosses deep,And through the moss the ivies creep,And in the stream the long-leaved flowers weep,And from the craggy ledge the poppy hangs in sleep.

    Onomatopoeia can also represent harsh and unpleasant sounds, as in Browning's "Meeting at Night":
    A tap at the pane, the quick sharp scratchAnd blue spurt of a lighted match.

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    Your alliterations are aptly placed and extreemely keen in the first part of the poem. Nearly literally the first half of it. The bottom part reads rather bald lacking this Figure of Speech. I read/see an imbalance. I'm being the hard taskmaster, here, but you might want to tinker a bit. Now, I'm just addressing the technical. The content is very enganging.

    Perfect! You have only eight lines following where you could empoly the alliterave.

    The act
    of standing
    by a window
    and staring out,
    alone
    and in silence,
    is such a
    sad sad thing
    when the day
    is cold
    and damp
    and dreary,
    when you’re
    Below the thought is incomplete:

    when you’re
    alone inside
    with nose
    on cold pane,
    your breath
    clouding the view
    of life on the outside,
    the stillness in the world.
    "the stillness in the world" does what to you?" A challenge worth taking on so that the poem is not hanging. I so much wanted to know where you finally stood!

    About editing. I love it. I edit my work to death. It's like sculpting for me. Almost like a tactile process. I'm a very harsh critic of my work (sometimes my worst enemy because I can be obsessive about it, editing). It can be fun if you look at your words like puzzle pieces needing to fit snugly next to each other. A snap shot, picture complete.

    Writing a poem about sadnes: it provides catharsis but that should always be the byproduct of the work. Often times I write sad because I believe that there is beauty in it. My mother, a poet, taught me that at a very early age. I often write Confessionally reflecting on long ago past events which do not belong in a child's story book! Point. Sad poems need not stay locked up in an old box or an old box in your mind even while you're quite happy at the time.

    Confessional poetry emphasizes the intimate, and sometimes unflattering, information about details of the poet's personal life, such as in poems about mental illness, sexuality, and despondence. The confessionalist label was applied to a number of poets of the 1950s and 1960s. John Berryman, Allen Ginsberg, Robert Lowell, Sylvia Plath, Theodore Roethke, Anne Sexton, and William De Witt Snodgrass have all been called 'Confessional Poets'. As fresh and different as the work of these poets appeared at the time, it is also true that several poets prominent in the canon of Western literature, perhaps most notably Sextus Propertius and Petrarch, could easily share the label of "confessional" with the confessional poets of the fifties and sixties.

    I had hidden away some thoroughly "sad" poems from years ago, never read by anyone.
    Toddm, thank you for sharing this special poem with us. I am honored to have read it. Hopefully, I've been of help in some way. Laurie
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    Quote Originally Posted by candid petunia View Post
    I like the first version better.
    Can connect with you here - feel the loneliness.
    I think that univeral emotions and experiences like this have such power - even though the sentiment expressed is highly personal, it can be widely felt and related to by others

    Feels like life itself is cloudy for the writer, like he doesn't want to see life on the outside, prefers to live in a haze... Doing it to himself purposely... And here my heart aches.
    Such is the cruel effect of depression, makes you want to withdraw, which makes you feel worse and to withdraw more - to venture out is the hardest thing, but what is needed.

    I'd have asked if sharing this helped you feel better , but obviously it's been so long. Writing helps me too, but the burden doesn't lift itself off until I've shown it to people.
    This piece has now a strange sort of nostalgia to me now - it's like the vivid sense of the sorrowfulness of that time has faded, and a pleasant remembrance remains - strange, since I do actually recall how bad it was.

    It's like a train horn heard up close is so blaring and painfully loud, but heard on a quiet night from a great distance that same sound becomes wistful and almost musical and beautiful - nostalgia is peculiar that way.

    thanks Ms. Farah, for your positive feedback, and for prompting me to dig out some old verses and memories -
    ---todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flapjack View Post
    I liked the original better myself too . I suppose I was mostly just curious why you broke it up that way, but you did explain it. It's a very nice read.
    I know some folks pause at the end of every line when reading poetry, and I was concerned that maybe that was happening with this piece (and others I have laid out similarly), which would indeed interfere with the flow - my intent is for it to be read with natural flow, going down, pausing only at commas and stopping only at periods (or tildes).

    I didn't mention this in the first post but "alone inside with nose on cold pane" gave me chills. I've have been in that state doing that exact thing before. Definitely triggered some memories.
    wow, this is powerful to me, that something so simple can resonate so much with others - thanks for telling me!
    ---todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChestersDaughter View Post
    You've made the bleak beautiful, Todd, no easy feat.
    Thanks Lisa, that is a true compliment to me -

    I really like this, both versions, I can't decide which I prefer, in fact. And this is coming from one who loves cold and dreary days. I must echo Farah regarding the alliterations, I'm such a sucker for them and you done real good.
    I appreciate you both pointing these out, and I mean this when I say that I don't conciously write a great deal of alliterations, if they are in there it is because it flowed out that way at the time and seemed to resonate with how I was feeling and encapsulated a strong emotion that had hitherto been unexpressed - and the power of writing is such that after putting it down on paper, with the ability to read and re-read it, it has has some healing effect, as candid petunia was alluding to - the missing piece for me for so long is actually having another read it too.

    This:
    when you’re
    alone inside
    with nose
    on cold pane,
    your breath
    clouding the view
    of life on the outside,
    the stillness in the world.

    literally gut punched me.
    Forgive me for feeling good about gut punching you : )

    After over three years almost exclusively in the house due to ill health, in a million years never could I have expressed the loneliness so succinctly. I live across the street from an elementary school, watching the people from my window happily coming and going, living real lives, made me so very envious and heartbroken.
    Reading this reminded me of one of the scenes I saw unfolding once while at the window back then: I was living in an apartment, and across the street, in front of another apartment building, I saw a happy young couple park their car and get out with a tiny baby - there was an older couple there who exitedly greeted them and the baby - I realized that what I was observing was this couple bringing their newborn home from the hospital for the first time, and the grandparents were there to meet them - I myself was nearing 30 with no prospects for this kind of joyful experience and life, and it seemed to me something I would never have - life had passed me by - very lonely times - I did not know that I would end up having that very same experience twice in the coming years, and at those happy times I thought back to that lonely face at the window, watching life and joy played out before him, and being very thankful for what I at last had.

    Exceptionally well done, love. Being me, I fear I must say the following, for me, there is solace in solitude, best to lick the wounds in private. I'm glad you've found a better place, you've a wonderful attitude all around.
    thanks again - I still enjoy solitude very much, but it is a bit more scarce with preschoolers at home - but all is good! : )

    ---todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverMoon View Post
    Hi, Toddm. Several observations. I do like the first version because visually it looks like a long teardrop. Like a visual onomatopoeia.
    Well, that is an apt observation - thanks for pointing it out, hadn't thought of it that way.
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    Your alliterations are aptly placed and extreemely keen in the first part of the poem. Nearly literally the first half of it. The bottom part reads rather bald lacking this Figure of Speech. I read/see an imbalance. I'm being the hard taskmaster, here, but you might want to tinker a bit. Now, I'm just addressing the technical. The content is very enganging.
    About editing. I love it. I edit my work to death. It's like sculpting for me. Almost like a tactile process. I'm a very harsh critic of my work (sometimes my worst enemy because I can be obsessive about it, editing). It can be fun if you look at your words like puzzle pieces needing to fit snugly next to each other. A snap shot, picture complete.
    Thanks for prodding me, Laurie, and making me think - I sometimes will work on a piece for a while and then act like it is etched in stone, never to be altered - I feel strange going back and tinkering with a piece when I am no longer in that mood, or no longer under the same inspiration - almost feels like I'm desecrating something holy - but you have inspired me to think differently on this point. I need to maybe take some of these older writings and work out what they are in kernel form - looking through my old journals, there are lots of things there incomplete or half-formed, or sub quality, but seem to have potential if given more thought and attention - thanks.

    Below the thought is incomplete:

    "the stillness in the world" does what to you?" A challenge worth taking on so that the poem is not hanging. I so much wanted to know where you finally stood!
    I will give this some thought - it was a strange time, and seeing some life on the outside, yet there was also this peculiar blanket of stillness over everything - nowadays, writing a piece like this, I would have brought in a glimpse of some hope, some light, to balance out the picture - but not then, I was nearly without hope - nearly, but not completely.

    thanks for the information on confessional poetry - it is a form I can delve into - you are right about not leaving old writings tucked away like memories you'd rather forget - they are part of me, my past - they can be brought out and even reworked if need be - no need to shun them.

    Toddm, thank you for sharing this special poem with us. I am honored to have read it. Hopefully, I've been of help in some way. Laurie
    Thank you for reading and for responding so graciously - you have helped me see with a bit of new perspective, thanks!
    ---todd

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    What a melancholy picture you have so quietly and skillfully crafted here...the simplicity is deceptive ...And genius--because you kept it simple--you allowed the visual image you were painting to be appreciated and connected to by the reader. I also loved the haunting feeling of isolation ,surly everyone at some time in their life had felt isolated by grief or sorrow---and you so poignantly captured that feeling. Glad you are in a better place my friend and your later poetry has expressed that so very beautifully....peace...Jul

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