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    I am plodding steadily through them alphabetically - with epic looming in the foreground, whilst Bob adds further types faster than I can get through those already here, and I am still smiling in anticipation.
    This next one gets through two types at once, blank verse and bio. A short word of explanation, I was scalded very badly at birth.

    From birth one breath is taken in of life's
    First heartbeat forth of hope, become fast pain
    And solitude, before it dulls restores
    To gentle growth of stand and walk and talk.
    With others be a part, nor part with all
    The unrecalled movements. Change will remain
    As advantage, personal gain for life's
    Preparation for the inevitable

    I find it very difficult syllable counting and deciding if things are iambic or not. please correct me if necessary , called away
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    Diamante



    A diamante is a seven line contrast poem set in a diamond shape or centered.

    Here is a diagram of the structure:

    Line 1: Noun/subject
    Line 2: Two adjectives describing the first noun/subject
    Line 3: Three ing-words describing the first noun/subject
    Line 4: Four words-two about the first noun/subject-two about the antonym/synonym
    Line 5: Three ing-words describing the antonym/synonym
    Line 6: Two adjectives describing the antonym/synonym
    Line 7: Antonym/Synonym for the Subject


    An Example of a Diamante:

    (An Olympic Moment)

    Agony

    blood tears

    screaming suffering whimpering

    pain torment distress passion

    illuminating intoxicating invigorating

    euphoria jubilation

    Ecstasy

    Victory

    elation liberation

    winning celebrating dominating

    glory validation determination vindication

    humiliating emasculating demoralizing

    misery despair

    Defeat


    Most of these styles I've shown so far give you an appreciation for words and their definitions.

    Olly -loved your bio-blank verse poem- five foot lines-your meter beat is fine

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    Nature weeps, the devil sings
    at man’s greed and pride
    and what it brings

    Just lots of useless
    little things…


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    Figures of Speech Tables
    Terms -- Rhetoric -- AASU

    Rhetorical terms... my favorite.
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    Smile

    Monorhyme


    Monorhyme is a poem in which all the lines have the same end rhyme.

    This is a great style to learn the basics of rhyming. I call this style a vowel poem.

    A E I O U – pick the vowel that will dictate the sound of your poem .


    Warning: this style is quite grating and to some extremely annoying and noisy –

    For my example I chose the( I) sound- This poem has annoyed quite a few readers but I love it… It’s a dizzy little poem….



    (The Wings of a Fly)

    in the corner
    of my eye,
    I see a fly, fly
    buzzing by,
    near to my eye,
    [making me sigh
    as it flies by,
    wings rushing
    towards the sky,
    flying away
    from my eye,
    soaring high
    for a fly

    why oh why
    does it want
    to die,
    flying so high
    in the sky,
    does it cry
    for the other fly
    that did die,
    when it flew
    into my eye

    I swatted
    that little black fly,
    who flew
    in my eye,
    that did defy
    and deny
    her right to fly by
    buzzing by my eye,
    causing
    the little fly
    to die,
    never saying
    good-bye
    to you,
    who flies
    so high away
    from my eye
    towards the sky
    crying
    for the little fly,
    who in suicide,
    succeeded
    in her wish
    to die,
    by flying
    in my eye

    I sigh
    from the sty
    that's in my eye
    from that fly
    who flew
    in my eye,
    wondering why
    she wanted
    to die,
    never hearing
    her cry,
    for it was you
    that made
    her want to die,
    by seeing
    through your lie
    about an affair
    with another fly,
    leaving her
    high and dry
    to explode
    and die,
    in my teary
    eye

    who do you
    cry for
    as you fly
    towards the sky
    away from my
    accusing eye,
    for your sin
    of deceit
    and lust
    where my eye
    holds her
    remaining dust,
    for it was
    not I
    who made
    her die,
    it was you
    who led her
    in my eye,
    you who
    were once
    a mighty fly,
    turn away
    from the sky,
    set your wings
    on downward path,
    cleanse yourself
    from damnation's wrath,
    now its time
    for you to die,
    fly oh fly
    in my other eye,

    I weep
    as I wait
    for your reply


    I told you it was annoying



    my warmest
    bob
    Nature weeps, the devil sings
    at man’s greed and pride
    and what it brings

    Just lots of useless
    little things…


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    Triolet



    TRIOLET
    The Triolet is an eight-line poem, with two rhymes and two repeating lines. The opening line occurs three times in this form. The first line is repeated as the fourth and seventh lines, the second and eight lines are the same. Some minor variations are allowed within the repeating lines, since this may enhance the poetic effect of the triolet.

    Example:


    Fire in the hole
    The devil’s in my belly
    Oh Sweet Lord ITS eating my soul
    Fire in the hole
    IT’S swallowing me whole
    Save me Lord I’m no Machiavelli
    Fire in the hole
    The devil’s in my belly


    In my next example I put a triolet in the middle of my poem. I mixed three styles –an ethere,(if you’re a purist a countdown-countup) senryu (which I will get to later) and a triolet. It also gives the poem a cool shape..


    (A Change of Rhythm)

    Wait
    Don’t leave
    I’m not dead
    Not yet anyway
    Do you have a light?
    I can hear my heart beat
    Slowing, groaning and moaning
    I feel a chill turn up the heat
    Stay awhile and watch me fade away
    Put that cigarette out I’ve had enough

    the cold hand of fate
    a reaper comes for his prize
    last rites of a fool

    Oh Father wash away all my sin
    give me that passport to heaven
    Hell is not a place I’d want to live in
    Oh Father wash away all my sin
    Please don’t make that devil win
    Fix fates dice to roll a halleluiah seven
    Oh Father wash away all my sin
    give me that passport to heaven

    an intervention
    contrition reaps a reward
    born again to die

    Time to walk that mile to the Promised Land
    Father Confessor please take my hand
    Hold me up and don’t let me fall
    Let me hear the sirens call
    Now forever to sleep
    As I take the leap
    Into the night
    To find light
    My eyes
    Close


    my warmest
    bob
    Nature weeps, the devil sings
    at man’s greed and pride
    and what it brings

    Just lots of useless
    little things…


    God is Dead; He died yesterday from Nothing...

    http://theoddvillepress.com

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    Tyburn


    A six line poem consisting of 2,2,2,2,9,9 syllables

    The first four lines rhyme and are all descriptive words. The last two lines rhyme and incorporate the first, second, third and fourth lines as the fifth through eighth syllables


    Example:

    (Perversion)

    It chills
    It fills
    It feeds
    It needs
    Monstrous lust -it chills- it fills me
    Cold and sickly- it feeds- it needs me


    Example of a poem in which I mixed 3 poetry styles. 2 tyburns (a variation), 2 senryu (a variation) and a Tanka(a variation) In the senryu and tanka I use the syllable form but I incorporate rhyme and use capitol lettering. In this sense these are not senryu’s or tanka’s but short poetry. In the two tyburns I don’t adhere to the fifth through eight syllable rhyme scheme.

    (The Adversary)

    A long fall from grace
    Pride the cause for my disgrace
    The music has died

    Seething
    Grieving
    Breathing
    Bleeding
    Evil seething grieving is my heart
    Barely breathing soul dead and bleeding

    All because I lied
    Deception my invention
    Death my intention

    Desolation
    Destination
    Temptation
    Isolation
    Hell’s desolation my destination
    Sin’s temptation brings isolation

    Stripped of heaven keys
    Cast out shunned and all alone
    The silence chokes me
    Absent God’s intervention
    Only His inattention




    my warmest
    bob
    Nature weeps, the devil sings
    at man’s greed and pride
    and what it brings

    Just lots of useless
    little things…


    God is Dead; He died yesterday from Nothing...

    http://theoddvillepress.com

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    if its a serious question I find the best thing to do is read poets writing about other poets

    Heaney
    Kirsch (I'm reading at the moment)
    and so on.

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    Clarity Pyramid

    The CLARITY PYRAMID form consists of two triplets and a single line, making a total of seven lines. This type of poetry is generally center-aligned when displayed.
    The first triplet has 1, 2, and 3 syllables. The title of the poem is the one-syllable word of the first triplet, which is displayed in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. This line is followed by a two-syllable line, and then a three-syllable line, both of which clarify the definition of the poem, or are synonyms for the title.

    The second triplet has 5, 6, and 7 syllables. Its design is based around a life event contained within the triplet which helps give a poetic view or outlook on the first line (title).

    The last line is 8 syllables, and is in quotations as this line contains a quote that defines the first line.


    Here are two examples that I just penned:

    LUST
    Primal
    Orgasmic

    a scent and a sigh
    throbbing pulsating need
    explosions and implosions

    “Pagan Virtue; a Christian Sin”




    WAR
    Power
    Politics

    sand, dust, and bullets
    body bags and amputees
    suicide snipers and snakes

    “The Oil flows as the Pipeline Grows”


    Here is another poem that I mixed styles : 2 Diamante and one Clarity Pyramid-

    (Mr. Shadow)


    Beginnings

    new, young

    exciting, opening, awakening

    birth, creation, dawn, origin

    closing, finishing, dying,

    completion, oblivion

    Endings


    Evil

    cold, dead

    freezing, decaying, rotting

    barren, desolate, empty, lonely

    smothering, smoldering, suffocating

    hot, burning

    Hell



    CLOOT
    Satan
    Lucifer

    Apostasy’s Child
    A fall from heavens grace
    Beauty lost, blackened, maimed, scarred

    “FAITHLESS ETERNAL WANDERER
    Nature weeps, the devil sings
    at man’s greed and pride
    and what it brings

    Just lots of useless
    little things…


    God is Dead; He died yesterday from Nothing...

    http://theoddvillepress.com

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    When it says: DO NOT POST POETRY FOR CRITIQUE OR REVIEW, does that mean that people should not be posting poetry or that people should not review the poetry that is posted?



    Was it always the intention to have three identical boards, just all with different ways of commenting on the examples given?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mermaid on the breakwater View Post
    When it says: DO NOT POST POETRY FOR CRITIQUE OR REVIEW, does that mean that people should not be posting poetry or that people should not review the poetry that is posted?



    Was it always the intention to have three identical boards, just all with different ways of commenting on the examples given?
    Yes- to a certain degree.

    Mermaid

    Posting poetry in the discussion forum is acceptable- in showing examples of -form, rhythm pace, etc-but not as personal critique.



    The poems Olly and I posted on this thread are not meant for critique or review on the quality of the poetry. It's meant to show poetry styles . Commenting on the styles or how the poem missed or portrayed the style accurately is fine-or discussing the validity of the style - but not the poetry itself as individual critique.

    my warmest
    bob
    Nature weeps, the devil sings
    at man’s greed and pride
    and what it brings

    Just lots of useless
    little things…


    God is Dead; He died yesterday from Nothing...

    http://theoddvillepress.com

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    [off-topic] brilliant!
    a textbook example of a workshop ...
    excellent examples and explanations ...

    well done all![/off topic]
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    this is an interesting thread. Good luck on your project to write one of each major form of poetry. I think its an important process to work through, in order to find your favored styles. Once you adapt to one or two of those forms, there is still much work to do. Here are my rules for my own poetry:
    1. Have something deep to say. Some kind of insight to reveal through your description

    2. dont just say what you want the reader to learn... set things up so they figure it out themselves. big difference between telling and showing here.

    3. pick the juiciest words for the most important parts of the poem. dont use common words for an uncommon form of communication.

    4. dont repeat yourself, or more specifically, if you are going to repeat yourself, it better be for a damn good reason.

    5. make it rhyme. (Thats just me.)

    6. dont use the word "I" unless you really have to. makes it look like childs play.

    7. there must be an emotional content as well as a material one. some link from the world to the mind is essential in each poem I write.

    8. dont bitch... nobody likes that. Be constructive instead of just ranting about how unfair things are. those teenage angst poems just make me puke.

    9. pick a moral or ethical subject for each poem. try to change the world with each poem you write. write as if your life, or the lives of the world, depend upon it.

    10. attempt the highest level of clarity and form. Pick each word so carefully that you may only get a line done each day. be a perfectionist. compare yourself to the great ones of the past. Use their forms but not their words.

    lastly, eat well, give-up meat, and get a good nights sleep.
    come to think of it, these are rules for not only writing, but also in living.
    cheers and good luck on all your future poems.
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    Rules like these are fairly personal Nacreous, my instant reaction is to pick holes and disagree with them, for example The insight of the beauty of natural simplicity is not necessarily a deep one but it is a common one in poetry, or 3, that could lead to terrible style errors, surely the word should be "appropriate" not "juicy", sometimes simple is right.
    The one I would disagree with most is 9. Poems do not have to be political statements or change the world. Expressing love for some one, giving a perspective or sharing something wonderful for example, would strike me as ample cause to write a poem.
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    I've found this thread totally fascinating thus far and can see myself setting myself a new challenge before long. Makes me realise how many miles behind I am.

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    Glad this thread is stimulating to some people, I am sorry I have not contributed anything further lately, my computer died and until I can afford a new one I am using other people's which means I stick to the basics. Looking back at my post I see I failed to say that the only reason I would pick holes is because that's the sort of nit picking person I am, it could be done to any set of rules, nothing really wrong with these.
    Of course if anybody else but Bob and I would like to contribute examples of poem types they are very welcome. It's a bit of a drag not getting critique on them is the only drawback, so you are welcome to pm me if you have any comments
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