MusicSoundsBetterWithYou

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Originally Posted by MusicSoundsBetterWithYou
It wasn't rape. It was sex that both agreed to.

So?

Are you being purposely ignorant? If it's sex that you both agree to then you HAVE to factor in the chance of getting pregnant.

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Give it up for adoption.
I'm glad that you think you're qualified to issue orders to everyone else.

I;m not issuing orders. Read it in context. Giving it up for adoption would've been the best thing to do instead of abortion.

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I don't mean to sound like a dickhead, but it's what i would've done in your situation.
How could you possibly know that? Have you been in it?

ETA: Oh, you're a guy. It must be easy to sit in the condemner's chair when it's literally impossible for you to be in the situation.

Yes, i haven't experienced it, but morally, and according to what i believe, it's what i would have done.
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You should've have been more responsible when having sex out of marriage.
Because clearly, the precise thing that people who are too irresponsible to use birth control should do is raise children.

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Lol. Just lol. So instead they should just murder them? Please.
That's the most stupidest thing anyone has ever said.
The purpose for sex is to PRO CREATE, not to fucking abuse it for your pleasure and be shocked that GASP surprisingly! you're pregnant.

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Abortion is not reason; it's always for selfish motivation.

Either you don't have enough money, can't support it, or don't want it, because it's a waste of time. Let the consequence fit the crime. You decided to be irresponsible; now, it's time for you to be res-ponsible.

Mishki

This statement makes no sense. Sex and pregnancy are not a mathematical equation or an experiment; there is no factoring of a variable involved.

What you mean to say is that you may become pregnant, and if so, that necessitates that you have a baby and not get an abortion. That is an opinion, and not a matter of fact. You can believe that it's wrong, and that's fine, but it is not a matter of objective reality.

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I;m not issuing orders.

It sure looked like an imperative to me.

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Read it in context. Giving it up for adoption would've been the best thing to do instead of abortion.

In your opinion.

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Yes, i haven't experienced it, but morally, and according to what i believe, it's what i would have done.

That doesn't carry a lot of weight.

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Lol. Just lol. So instead they should just murder them? Please.

Abortion is not murder. You may disagree with it morally, but it's not part of a universal ethic.

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That's the most stupidest thing anyone has ever said.

I'd say that that is the "most stupidest" grammatical error I've ever read, but sadly, it isn't. And I'm not prone to exaggeration. At least you can properly use an article, and I can't say that for everyone.

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The purpose for sex is to PRO CREATE,

The purpose for whom? I don't have sex to procreate. It is not my purpose when I choose to engage in the act, so how can it be the act's purpose? Actions don't float around willy-nilly in the stratosphere. They're performed.

I guess senior citizens and the infertile shouldn't have sex, according to your logic.

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not to fucking abuse it for your pleasure

Enjoying sex is abusing it? You seem to have bigger problems than your knowledge of grammar...

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and be shocked that GASP surprisingly! you're pregnant.

I happen to not be pregnant, and have never been. In spite of having sex. A lot. GASP!

You may not like abortion, but the process by which someone comes to the decision to have one, like any other, is reason.

By your logic, so is the decision to try to have children. People choose to have babies because they want them, do they not? It's not for the good of the world. It's not a philanthropic act. It's because they want to.

However, when people choose to terminate their pregnancy, it's usually because they feel that they cannot provide for a child at that time.

Making a decision because you don't have enough economic resources is selfish? Curious. I'd hate to see what that logic train looks like.

I guess having children that you cannot support is the opposite of selfish?

Sexual intercourse is not a crime.

What's irresponsible is having children that you cannot possibly care for, and subjecting them to deprivation, neglect and/or abuse.

Like having a baby and adequately taking care of it, and adoption, terminating a pregnancy is responsible. You simply feel that it is wrong.

Or, perhaps you don't care about the ethics and your words are simply manifesting your misogyny. Either way, you're making subjective statements without any supporting facts and without even vaguely approaching a reasoned argument.

FantasyWitch

That is really intense.
I don't know how to explain my feelings about it because i have lost a baby too, but I get it and it was very powerfully writen.

devilcurls6981

that was exactly my point

FantasyWitch

When did this become a whither abortion is right or wrong debate??
Shouldn't you respect the poor girls wishes and remember for some people this is a very delicate subject. Not to go all MOD on you but can you keep the debate to the debate section or pm's??

Mishki

Fantasy, you're right. I just couldn't stand aside and watch the poster get condemned for, you know, being a woman. Being pro-life--the belief that fetuses deserve protection--is one thing, but the desire to punish a woman for having sex is something else. And that something is just pure misogyny, and that's exactly the crap that TT and Music were spewing forth. They deserve to have their asses handed to them.

Ashley, I apologize.

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When you're in your 40's, you'll understand.

lin

I hope your book deals in part with the intolerance one meets from the public on such matters.

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MusicSoundsBetterWithYou

What the hell?
I wasn't saying the writer should be punished for her actions ..

But you're right. Forget it.

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SevenWritez

Ok, um...let's stray away from the debate and head back to the article. So, to the two men and the pissed off feminist, both cool your jets. As for the article, I thought it was pretty dry. The only reason I continued to read it was because I knew it was an honest account by a real person. As for voice and flow, I felt as if I was reading some 16-year-old's diary, and I didn't care what happened, because you as a writer didn't make me. I'm sorry for what you went through, but unless you were raped I believe you should have at least carried the child through until it was born and handed it off for adoption. Yes, I'm a guy, so I can't possibly understand what it is to go through personal turmoil, but under the circumstances you provided, I would say the better decision would be to let the child be born. However, it's your life and your decision, and I commend you for being brave enough to allow yourself open to criticism such as this. Due to your last line (or few to last, I can't remember), about your child meeting you in God, you may get some heavy backlash from the religious folk as it is a bit of a contradiction. To believe in heaven you need to think of the whole "life at conception," deal. To follow that line is to believe that what you did was murder, which, according to the Twelve Considerations, is a big fat no-no. Nothing against you personally for it, but I don't think it fit in well considering the lines that preceeded it. Anyways, that's it.

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Truth-Teller

Here's an interesting article: Artist hanged herself after aborting her twins - Telegraph

If you boyfriend didn't want the baby, would you have carried out an abortion, even if your family was supportive of you?

Hawke

This is a touchy subject for some, one that has been debated countless times and will no doubt be debated countless more, the subject often evoking a wide range of emotions and opinions, including very personal ones. I understand that. The thing is, this work has been posted in the Non-Fiction section, not the Debate section. Please keep to critiquing the writing.

Thank you.

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velo

I'm horrified at the judgment and second guessing from the forum members. Critique her writing all you want, but leave your personal morals out of it. The author had an incredibly tough personal choice to make and she made the one she felt was right for her at the time. You weren't there, it wasn't your pregnancy or boyfriend or life. Not a single damn one of you have any business telling her what she "should" have done.

I felt the article was well constructed but there were a couple awkward transitions. I liked the journal-entry style but it almost seemed like it was there to smooth over gaps in the story. I realize there are length limits but I would have liked to learn a little more about the MC and understand her situation/choice a little more. The voice came across as scared and confused, appropriately so. I liked it. It worked well but could have used a few minor tweaks here and there. But then again, what piece couldn't use a few tweaks here and there? Well done.

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marmot

The anti-abortion crowd is made up of hack and slash reactionaries that want to deny females the right to own their own bodies. To the stupid anti-abortionist, women are just mindless incubators.



They are completely disgusting, and they are plagued by bourgeois-christian sentimetalism. I would somewhat tolerate that viewpoint if it came from a poor worker in the third world, but it is unacceptable from people having access to internet and who call themselves writers.