Thread: The African and Caucasian minds: Differences in Hip Hop "styles".

The Caucasian mind, or being, differs from the African's in many aspects (one may say that their "souls" have easily distinguished ways of operating).

I will use Hip Hop as a means of discussing these differences, as I believe engaging in (the majority of) Hip Hop's elements--MCing, DJing, Dancing (whether popping, locking, bboying, etc), is the truest self-expression, the truest/freest "being" that one can have/do/be. A true dancer becomes the music: letting it move his body naturally (there are no ifs, ands, or buts; there is only the next step). The emcee channels words that fit a certain rhyme scheme.

What are the noticable differences between the (average) Caucasian emcee and the (average) African? Body movement and lyrical flow. Why is it that Caucasian Hip Hop heads so often lack "flavor"? Because their minds exist in abstraction; less of their consciousness is associated with the body.

For the African feeling -> Movement -> thinking, while for the Caucasian thinking -> movement ->feeling. The reason this is so, I believe, is because the caucasian mind has evolved through years of abstraction. Why abstract? To overcome obstacles, to achieve goals. (Ignoring cultural and political conditions; ignoring society altogether) Is it easier to live in very cold climates, or mild to hot climates? Which takes more effort, planning, and abstraction to secure survival? Abstract thinking--a dissociation with the body/present environmental conditions--is emphasized in the Caucasian mind, while the African's mind is more in touch with the present environment. I am not saying one is worse, or the other is better (but one or the other would, mostly likely, prove more efficient for different tasks).

The African emcee molds his mind to the music, letting his lyrics fit into the environment's rhythm; while the Caucasian emphasized abstractions, remaining still in place as his mind actively searches for an answer in the ether.

What? I'm lost. Personally I think you chose the subject of hip-hop so your work wouldn't be seen as offensive and get deleted. You talk a lot of shit.

Ah man, I knew someone would get all emotional about this. What "shit" am I talking? Am I talking shit about whites, or blacks? I honestly don't know.

I explained why I chose the topic of hip hop. I wasn't aware I wrote anything negative about either of the minds' tendencies...

It wasn't really negative, just...rubbish. There I said it!

Wow, I've never seen so much bullshit in so few words. Care to (make a fool of yourself while you attempt to) explain why it's "rubbish"?

No, I can smell the bitterness on your breath and I need some time to relish in it.

Why would I be bitter (it was you, in fact, who began spitting nonsense at me, only to alter your stance once I called you out on it)? I'm the logical one.

"one may say that their "souls" have easily distinguished ways of operating". The logic that is beyond all understanding...

Why? It follows from the previous statement, making it obvious that mind/being = soul, and that the differences in how they think are easily seen (through the examples I give, in the context of hip hop).

It's okay. Childish minds can't help but interpret text childishly. Maybe in a few years--if you humble yourself--you'll manage to grasp some of my (simpler) thoughts.

Yes, as black and white 'beings' are different, I didn't know beings/souls were tainted by colour but thank you for enlightening me...Oh humble master accept my sarcasm as a gift.

Yes, as black and white 'beings' are different, I didn't know beings/souls were tainted by colour but thank you for enlightening me...Oh humble master accept my sarcasm as a gift.

The mind is filtered through the body in daily life (and while asleep--restricted by one's belief systems and association with the body).

Apparently my previous post didn't enlighten you. Hopefully you'll manage to not screw up my message this time around.

Its not right to say that the mind is filtered through the body as they're both infused with each other. A little filtered but not totally.

Secondly the mind isn't "restricted by one's belief systems and associations with the body" while asleep. During deep sleep the mind doesn't even exist. There isn't even the concept of 'I'. So during this time there is no mind to be restricted. As your consciousness becomes more gross the mind comes into being once again.

And last of all, I still don't see what you're trying to get across. Every individuals mind differs, black and white, white and white. Whats your point? But keep spouting that nonsense if it makes you feel better.

Its not right to say that the mind is filtered through the body as they're both infused with each other. A little filtered but not totally.

It is right to say that the mind is filtered through the body. Do you think, during your waking consciousness, you ever perceive outside your physical senses? Saying that it isn't right because I didn't specify something else that happens is just being argumentative. You just said "A isn't right because there is both A and B!" You were hopeless from the start, admit that you attempted to use me as a scapegoat, and accept that I've easily refuted every "argument" you've made. I'm in a different league, Intel. Go back to the sandbox.

Secondly the mind isn't "restricted by one's belief systems and associations with the body" while asleep. During deep sleep the mind doesn't even exist. There isn't even the concept of 'I'. So during this time there is no mind to be restricted. As your consciousness becomes more gross the mind comes into being once again.

Why are you restricting the mind to the concept of "I"? "I" consciousness is just one way a mind can operate. You have heard of REM sleep, right? Have you considered I was referring to that? No, you didn't, because that wouldn't enable you to make such lazy, half-assed arguments, would it?

How do you know the mind doesn't exist while the body is in deep sleep? I only accept this argument if you restrict the "mind" to the perceptions of waking consciousness. How silly the "logical" materialists can be, when they make such absolute statements about things they couldn't possibly know.

And last of all, I still don't see what you're trying to get across. Every individuals mind differs, black and white, white and white. Whats your point? But keep spouting that nonsense if it makes you feel better.

Haha, "last of all", like you've even made one sensible point.

Yes, every individual differs mind to mind, but I am talking about the average for two types. You still haven't managed to explain why it's "nonsense". It is about something... it is sensible. I didn't say all white minds or black minds are the same. Why do you keep insulting me to try to save face when you were out of line to make the ignorant comments you made in the first place?

I am so tired of taking the care to emphasize certain things in my text, just to prevent impulsive egos from jumping to faulty conclusions, only to have to argue with those that do it anyways.

I said that the mind is not totally filtered through the body. Sometimes during the day you're not even aware of your body, such as when you're off daydreaming. Also if you've ever been in a deep meditative state you would know that one can have many out-of-body experiences. So I still disagree that the mind is totally filtered through the body. Or we can use your analogy, A can function seperately from B, although A is sometimes filtered through B.

Your second comment is funny. Oh the mind isn't restricted to the concept of 'I' isn't it? And how would you know!? Everything that you've ever experienced, whether it be a thought or perception, has all happened through this sense of 'I'. Without 'I' there would be no world, for the world to exist for you there needs to be this 'I' that experiences it.

So unless you're some kind of sage that recognizes the impersonal nature of all things, including this 'I' thought then you've just made a ridiculous statement. Also even if you were a sage and believed the world to be one, you would still experience things through 'I', just at a deeper level.

I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about.

I thought the article was unscientific. It was a poor attempt to show racial differences. In the first few sentences you lapsed from mind into soul, then trivialised the whole thrust of your thought by inexplicably drifting in to hip hop, a behavioural pattern of dance which has nothing to do with quality of a man's brain.

I thought Intel took the bait too easily and got dragged into a meaninglass debate. In short I think the article is classical flaming.

All brains in all human being are essentialy the same, although it is a scientific fact that Asian brains are larger than the rest of humanity, no one knows why. Some speculate it is because Asians are the oldest peoples. But I don't think much of that argument.

The quality and make up of our brains is the same throughout the world so why do we behave differently? It is of course because of cultural differences and language. Our upbringing and the way we relate to each other with patterns and structre of society all have an input into our personality, and how we think and how we bahave.

So that's the end of that silly discussion. No more to be said, is there?

I feel silly now having fallen and willingly engaged in such a topic.