Gay Rights? What About Straight Rights? - Page 2 - Writers Forum

Hodge · 09-08-2007, 02:34 AM

I find many "liberal" acts distasteful. Doesn't mean I feel the need to prevent others from doing them, though.

The Japanese can create tentacle rape bukkake films starring anime characters for all I care.

The Backward OX · 09-08-2007, 02:40 AM

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Being passive gets nothing done, but being aggressive casts a negative light on the whole culture. I'm telling you, being a bisexual agnostic is the way to go.

I suppose being an agnostic bisexual is better than being an agnostic dyslexic. At least then you aren't faced with the conundrum of whether there really is a dog.

lin · 09-08-2007, 02:46 AM

So you're saying public bukkake is a "liberal act"? Interesting.

The Backward OX · 09-08-2007, 02:47 AM

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Maybe because our society is already built to assume everyone is straight.

How do you think gays would manage to get themselves recognized if they sat passively by on the sidelines?

Circular thinking - whoops coming from you that's a tautology - but anyway what's with this "getting recognised?" This is my argument. Why not just "be"?

Havoc · 09-08-2007, 02:53 AM

When gay peopel talk about gay rights they are mostly talking about:

1. The right to get maried, preferably under god.
2. The right for financial help in case of children and the like.
3. The right to adopt children.

Basicaly they want the rights they can't have specificaly BECAUSE they are gay. Straight people do not seem to have this problem so why are you complaining about straight rights?

However I do agree with you that homosexuality is being used as a media hype. Especialy since dressing up in a tight leather costume isn't homosexuality, thats being a faggot.

Hodge · 09-08-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Backward OX

Circular thinking - whoops coming from you that's a tautology - but anyway what's with this "getting recognised?" This is my argument. Why not just "be"?

Because right now "being" means being ostracized and ridiculed (in some places even assaulted or killed). It means hearing a generation of kids call things they don't like "gay" every day. It means not being able to get married and in some states adopt kids. It means living in a world that, at best, disenfranchises them.

You wouldn't argue that blacks 100 years ago should have just "been" (in the U.S.). Gays are facing the same prejudices.

Grim · 09-08-2007, 04:02 AM

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So you're saying public bukkake is a "liberal act"? Interesting.

It's 4 in the morning and I'm mumbling something about context. Have fun with it and do whatever it is you do with semantics.

JoannaMac · 09-08-2007, 04:33 AM

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Shawn, maybe you can comment on this.

Gays say they are equal to straights.

Straights don’t go around getting in everyone’s face and saying “I’m straight.”

Gays demonstrate un-equal behaviour by getting in everyone’s face and saying “I’m gay.”

Huh?

You're being thick again OX. Gay people until fairly recently (in the West at least) have not been able to legally exist. Society has expectations, and those expectations are rammed down our throats from a young age. Homosexuality has been shunned and people beaten up and murdered for centuries over it. Even now the violence continues. In most places bar a few, if a gay couple walks down the street holding hands, it will at the very least solicit a few dirty looks. Do you know how that feels?

The natural reaction of some people after living in repression for so long is to get defensive and say "Screw you, screw your damn expectations, and screw your predjudice." After being told it's unacceptable to be gay, it is very natural to go to the other extreme and be extroverted. It's like daring society to tell you you're wrong. If I consistantly saw people whispering about me behind their hands, I'd probably react the same way.

It's the same with any minority that suffers prejudice. And people like you are ready to pounce on them as soon as their behaviour isn't perfect. You've completely discounted what they've been up against for the longest time.

Besides, most gay people aren't like that anyway. They're just like everyone else. The behaviour of a few is held against the group as a whole, and so the cycle of prejudice continues.

The Backward OX · 09-08-2007, 04:46 AM

Jo, you are as usual correct.
And it's ironic that you should say "It's the same with any minority that suffers prejudice." B.t, d.t, w.t.t.s.

Shawn · 09-08-2007, 05:25 AM

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Gays demonstrate un-equal behaviour by getting in everyone’s face and saying “I’m gay.”

Have I ever posted anything going "I'm gay, and I'm proud."

No. Because "I'm gay, and I'm scared."

My school corporation retains the right to deny me an education because of my sexual orientation. Of course, I'd have GLAAD at my back when I went to sue them, but it's still a stark reality. I have been turned down from jobs because of my sexual orientation, but I have refused to pursue legal action. Is that unequal of me?

When my boyfriend died, even though I was the only person he trusted in life, I was not allowed into his hospital room because I was not his legal partner or fiance. And I will tell you, I would have agreed years ago to marry him if it meant I could be with him then. But even that was an impossibility.

Don't tell me I'm being unequal; because, legally, I am unequal. Socially, I am unequal. And I am unequal deliberately. My equality should be implied, but it's not because there is still excessively homophobic behavior in the world.

I would like to add on to Joanna's statement by saying that it is the same for any human being who suffers prejudice.

Non Serviam · 09-08-2007, 07:13 AM

For an interesting perspective on this, try copy/pasting the original post into your word-processor and find/replacing "gay" with "black" and "straight" with "white".

Charlie_Eleanor · 09-08-2007, 07:40 AM

It seems to me that there are people in every demographic/sexuality/whatever who are extremely proud of their uniqueness. There are white people who think white is the way to go, black people who think they can do no wrong, straight people who think sex is only for propogation, and gay people who think they have the right to be gay but no one has the right to question that. That is just how life is. It does not mean all gay people are trying to push their sexuality down your throat, but it is true that some of them do. It just depends on the individual.

As far as you censoring your daughter, I do agree that it is necessary to an extent. However, it is disconserting to me because in the piece you wrote it gives me the impression you are censoring her from extreme gay acts on T.V., but in fact are censoring her from the homosexual community all together. I don't think that is wise. You said someone about gay people kissing on t.v., do you censor straight people kissing on t.v.? If so, than great! But, if not, you are no longer censuring, you are displaying prejudice to your daughter. That is just what your piece conveys to me.

Good luck. I know it must be really hard being a parent.

The Backward OX · 09-08-2007, 09:03 AM

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it is disconserting to me because in the piece you wrote it gives me the impression you are censoring her from extreme gay acts on T.V., but in fact are censoring her from the homosexual community all together. I don't think that is wise. You said someone about gay people kissing on t.v., do you censor straight people kissing on t.v.? If so, than great! But, if not, you are no longer censuring, you are displaying prejudice to your daughter. That is just what your piece conveys to me.

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I cannot even watch network shows with my daughter without trying to downplay why two women are on the screen kissing each other

Where is there any mention of sexual orientation in that statement?

cecibell · 09-08-2007, 06:00 PM

Which is what I had to do. She just turned 11 in July and after the incident with one of her best friends and I not knowing that she had "married moms," I had to have that talk with her about sexual preference. Even though we had the sex talk a long time ago, I hadn't went there with the preference thing. It's hard trying to find the balance. I'd hate for her to be blind and uninformed about life, but at the same time our society overexposes and glamorizes everything.

cecibell · 09-08-2007, 06:06 PM

I love the quote in your signature . . . so true.