Should you have to stand? - Page 2 - Writers Forum

John Mirra · 12-19-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raging_Hopeful

Eh. But are we really as free in the way our fore fathers had intended?

Stupid fascist country. >.<

Our same forefathers who passed the Alien and Sedition Acts? Those ones?

In any event, I have to respectfully disagree and say America isn't really a fascist country at all. In fact, I think (from an equally nonsensical perspective) that we're a little more falangist, or Japanese imperialist, y'know. </petpeeve>

Anywho, I'm still not entirely sure if critique is kosher here, but you should try and organize your thoughts a little better, too.

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Originally Posted by For Example

To be in trouble for not standing seems like a trivial thing.

Technically speaking, that could mean that you find the subject of your essay trivial and unimportant. Though it could also mean, in all fairness, that you're simply assuming the readers have already made up their minds on the issue.

In any event, just try and be clearer.

acapella · 12-21-2006, 11:28 AM

I wish that we had a pledge in Canada so that I could not stand for it. Here's to you, curse.

Hodge · 12-21-2006, 03:43 PM

Some teachers make you stand. There was a video on the internet a while back that had a kid who had a camera hidden in his backpack refuse to stand during the pledge, and the teacher got super pissed and pulled the chair out from under him after yelling at him to stand.

I also had a teacher yell at me to stand once. A P.E. teacher. A couple others have demanded I stand as well...

A Simple Man · 12-21-2006, 03:55 PM

Bunch of freakin' anarchists.

*sniffle-wipe-sob* I love you.

Curse · 12-24-2006, 09:30 PM

I am not saying i hate my country, i think there are flaws up the damn wazoo. But i refuse to pledge my alliegence to this country, i dont believe in it and i think its wrong. I am not telling people to NOT stand i made my point and backed it up with facts my own Social Studies teacher didnt know. Im sorry if i offended anyone in any way but its so wrong to me to force someone to stand for something they dont believe in. I fought for my rights and no can tell me otherwise. Thank you to my supporters XD i seem to have a mob. Pm's rock too guys

zeeby · 01-06-2007, 06:23 PM

First off, I haven't come by a single anarchist in this thread, which surprises me. Yeah I am 100% against anarchy, and I think it's just a fashion, but anyways, the people here know more about government to be outright anarchists, unless I'm totally wrong here. Secondly, it's so clique to right about America being facsist, and if somebody could explain that further, it'd be appreciated.

John Mirra · 01-06-2007, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeby

Secondly, it's so clique to right about America being facsist, and if somebody could explain that further, it'd be appreciated.

Much like it's a cliche for loony Muslims to be "Islamo-fascists", and perhaps for the very same reasons. The reason people say our government has become an Italian political party is because they can get away with it, banking on stupidity. If people said the Republicans, or the terrorists, were Nazis most would wail about how it undermines the tragedy of the Holocaust, whereas calling them Facists generally incurs "Grr, those... uh... Fascists, Fascists... hmm, sounds like 'eyelashes'... something to do with WWII bad guys... moustaches... hmmm... damn fucking Fascists!"

In short, people can throw around the word Fascist because it won't offend too many people (as "Nazi" would), sound stupid (as "Japanese-Imperialist" would), worn (as "Communist" damn well does), or obscure (as "Falangist" would), and like all the aforesaid terms it does invoke feelings of old American triumph over adversity and evil.

While I do understand that language evolves a little eugenics couldn't hurt with terms like this. I simply have difficulty connecting Mussolini and the axe within the bundle to George Bush or Osama bin Laden. The fact is that no-one gives a damn; I've been cursed with hearing Communists called Fascists, for Godssake.

Curse · 01-13-2007, 10:29 AM

lol ok ok guys no killing echother over the insanity that is past and present governemt. The truth is it will never be perfect because perfection is a myth. Now i will say i support our troops but i dont support the war, i support people risking their lives for a greater good even if it was build on wrong reasons. So let agree to disgree as my 4 year old cousin would say, because everyone deserves a view and an opinion on everything. And freedom of speech is something we do possess.

Knightskye · 01-15-2007, 01:37 AM

If you're not standing because you don't want to, okay. If you're not standing because you're trying to attract attention: "Hey, f*** this, I'm not standing!" Go sit in the hallway while the rest of your class is standing. It's a public building, they can make rules and enforce them. Do you walk into class a half-hour late and expect not to get into trouble? Probably not. But people would rather complain about two words they don't even recite, or being forced to pledge their allegance, than complain that school starts too early, or that recess should be available in middle and high school.

Craig Baugher · 01-15-2007, 09:18 AM

Oh Well

Curse · 01-15-2007, 10:04 AM

...Oh god *wails head on table* Listen I am not some juvi here, I simply say that my right says I do not have to stand for the pledge because I don’t believe in it. I am not rebelling against the school or plotting any sort of world domination what so ever (yet) but my point is. The reason the pledge stands for I don’t like; as a free human being because of my government I am allowed to sit. And no offence to the person above me, but don’t talk to me like I am stupid or that you understand anything. Because you are not a 16-year-old girl in the year 2007 are you? No didn’t think so, I have my friends and I have my family. I pissed off the teacher that decided she wanted to fight me on this and won but the principal was behind me all the way. I understand the flag and what it means I understand why it is there and how it came about. But the foundation it was made is has crumbled and no one cares enough to cement it back together. If you want to lecture me on how my 16 year old girl self will come to learn then please don’t, because I already know

Craig Baugher · 01-15-2007, 03:46 PM

I hear ya girl. Good luck with your narissistic self.

Hodge · 01-15-2007, 04:02 PM

She's not being narcissistic. You're being condescending.

Craig Baugher · 01-15-2007, 04:18 PM

Raging_Hopeful · 01-15-2007, 05:35 PM

Oy. Well yes America has it much better than other countries but the vast majority don't appreciate it and we waste a good amount of potential by indulging egotistical patriotism. Yes, our penis is bigger than yours. AND it's red white and blue!

As for the fascist remark, I apologize. I don't really think it's fascist and was speaking more out of sarcasm than actual intelligence. However, just because I'm from a "younger" generation, doesn't necessarily condemn me to ignorance. I'm well aware that we are fortunate to have the rights that we do but I am also not at peace with the hypocrisy and power games America has played through the ages. Maybe that speaks to politics everywhere and I'm not trying to get into American/political bashing, but the whole "you're young and don't understand" bull is just a load of bunk.

Consider that we young'uns might have something important to say.