Kane

I said masturbation occurs in the wild, and you tell me I need to check my facts... I must applaud your ability, not only to put words in my mouth, but to 'refute' points I haven't even made. As I have been single for a bit over 5 years now, I am quite familiar with masturbation. Masturbation, however, serves no purpose but to feel good and perhaps relieve some stress. Although many people masturbate, many others don't masturbate, claiming they don't really receive pleasure from it, while others may not for moral or religious reasons. Some people get off reading dirty magazines, for others magazines offer nothing. Some people like to be defecated on while others enjoy pain. Some people love animals, some love children and a smaller number prefer the cold embrace of the dead. These are all deviancies, because they DEVIATE from the actual purpose of sex, which is procreation. It feels good because if it didn't, how would men and women stand each other's company long enough to copulate? So why is it that out of all of these deviancies and fetishes, homosexuality is the only one that is deserving of a special accord? Why should gay people recieve special treatment when others are met with disdain, imprisonment or at the best, a guilty secrecy?

Now, I've already stated my opinion. I think homosexuality is wrong. But I don't hate homosexuals, nor would I tell them how to live their lives. I am only talking about it now because it's the topic of discussion. But out in the real world? I wouldn't think of making someone feel uncomfortable about their sexual practices, it's not who I am. It's funny, because my position hasn't changed from the get go. It's not enough for you that I allow for people to live their lives as they see fit, you want me to come out in full support for what they do. Why? For all your talk of tolerance and how Christians or conseratives lack it, I am overwhelmed by the regularity in which I encounter those of liberal mindsets who fall into the same boat. That's probably my biggest problem with many liberal agendas and with homosexuality. It's not that homosexuals want the right to be homosexual, many of them want to flaunt it in people's faces to get a reaction, simply so they can jump down a person's throat for being conservative or Christian or for wanting the right to their own beliefs.

If it doesn't apply to you then fine, pay no attention. But there are more than a couple people on this forum who this does apply to. I have never come across with any opinion but that people should have the choice to live their lives as they please. Yet you want to argue with me, as if it's not good enough that I say live and let live. Well here's a news flash. I am not going to bow down to your godless liberalism or anyone elses. You go on and try to pick apart everything I say to find fault, but if there were more people like me on this planet, there would be a lot less conflict and a lot more people respecting other's freedoms. Not only do I respect people's freedom of choice, I spent 3 years of my life ready to defend those freedoms with my life or death, and would be doing the same if I hadn't been permanantly disabled while in the service.

Hodge

1) Homosexuality is the only one of the sexual deviancies you listed that occurs in the wild as well as in us. The only one that is not a social construct.

2) Homosexuality is between two consenting adults; no one is being harmed.

3) Homosexuality is not a fetish.


There's a stereotype if I ever saw one...

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Kane

I said many, not all. And then when on to say if it didn't apply to you then ignore it. See what I mean dude? you try to pick apart every little thing I say for no reason other than to what, be a dick?



homosexuality, like any other sexual practice is an attraction to a certain thing, in its case, members of the same sex. As for the wild... I hate to break it to you, but we are the wild. If we are animals, then holing up in cities and calling ourselves civilized doesn't make us any less wild. hell, you said it yourself when you claimed that people didn't have a choice in the heat of the sexual moment, because you were referring to animalistic base emotions. The more you talk, the less you sound like you know what yer talking about. But go on with it, I'm done with this convo.

Hodge

Many blacks steal cars. Many Asians have small wee–wees. Many women can't think for themselves. Do you see how what you said might be taken in the wrong way?

Sorta kinda not really. We are animals, but we've devloped social structures that are far more advanced than any other animal's. Yes, we have primal instincts. Freud calls it our "Id." We also have another component, which is called the superego. The superego contains all of our social conditioning, and our superego controls us more than anything. So no, we are not wild. Pull a knife on someone and their "fight or flight" instinct will reveal itself, but for the most part we are not wild like animals (although our instincts do still control much of what we do—just in more subtle ways).

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PaPa

Stop twisting what I say. I didn't claim that everything which is natural should be accepted, I said that saying that something is unnatural is no reason not to accept it. There is a clear difference.

I don't make this like some kind of personal battle, you do. I'm just wandering around, posting in subjects on which I hold an opinion, and then you start taking everthing ridiculously seriously, start claiming that I'm insulting you or something and then accuse me of arrogance/condescension/whatever. The fact that many of my posts in debates end up being addressed specifically to you is because you're often the only representative of the other side of the argument. I'm sorry for not meeting your exacting standards but I'm just here to post some random shit and have fun - I don't surf the internet looking for random people to piss off. Get the fuck off my back.

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Pawn

An excellent article. Well written and hard-hitting.

I don't find your opinions valid, Kane, but naturally I respect your right to them. PaPa is worth listening to.

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discipleofWORD

I usually don't read a long essay in one sitting, but just the topic you proposed, i thought to myself it is worth to read. After a couple of paragraphs, I was hooked! The style somehow reminds me of the Eric's style (author of Fast Food Nation).

Man, it hurts me to read that homosexual people were killed because of their sexual orientation. Those people label them as evil, but aren't they really the evil ones--being judgemental with their hatred and even "gay bashing?"

Like many readers have wrote, this was an eye-opener.

:::sigh:::

It is a confusing, blind world we live in....

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