Pearl Harbor - Writers Forum

Eugene Lyricist · 06-03-2008, 06:43 PM

Eugene Lyricist©2008

unlike the monuments on the walls
these men aren't made of stone
they stood for liberty and justice for all
bravery had names like

(names of Vets)(just a bell ringing)

they gave everything
and asked for nothing
surpised on the 7th in dec '41
infamy lives on till today

we stand in rememberence
of our fallen and our Vets
Our freedom was at stake
and it echoed through our hearts

Unlike monuments on the walls
men aren't made of stone
they stood for liberty and justice for all
bravery had names like

(more names of Vets)(just a bell ringing)

paving the ways of unity
for our brave
we stand with honor
for you all gave

Our hand, Our salute
One heart, one nation
our freedom, our pursuit
we honor the generations

Unlike monuments on the walls
men aren't made of stone
they stood for liberty justice for all
bravery had names like

(more names of Vets)(just a bell ringing)

they gave everything
and never asked for anything
surpised on the 30th in May '62
infamy lives on till today

we stand in rememberence
of our fallen and our Vets
Our freedom was at stake
and it echoed through our hearts

T.W. North · 06-04-2008, 01:52 AM

A bit of a big call to say those people who died in Pearl Harbour were brave. They hadn't even fought in a war yet...as the name would suggest this is about...but...the two dates I don't recognise (I'm no biggy on american history). And there are comments like 'one nation' that just piss me off because you weren't the only country fighting in this war, in fact, you were the last to join.

Eugene Lyricist · 06-04-2008, 03:01 AM

Hello T.W. North. YOu know your right you don't recognise the dates. Because Dec 7th is the day Pearl Harbor was attacted. May 30th is the day they dedicated the USS Arizona at Pearl Harbor.

Once again I know you dont' know so how can you say they hadn't even fought in a war. lol.... There was military personnel there that had fought in wars. So man don't try to say they haven't fought in a war yet until you know. Just shows your really don't know much about this subject.

I understand why you put your two cents in because you think just because I didnt' say anything about other countries, but dont' forget there is different days in a war that each nation recongnises. So when one nation is used its not to talk bad or talk down about others. Its talks about the day we recognise.

Big thank you for your thoughts. Oh how you don't have interest in American History but wants to comment.

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Originally Posted by T.W. North

A bit of a big call to say those people who died in Pearl Harbour were brave. They hadn't even fought in a war yet...as the name would suggest this is about...but...the two dates I don't recognise (I'm no biggy on american history). And there are comments like 'one nation' that just piss me off because you weren't the only country fighting in this war, in fact, you were the last to join.

T.W. North · 06-06-2008, 02:23 AM

It just annoys me that practically the only media you hear on the war is american. American, american, american. *shrug* I just think its a bit weird to call them brave when they happened to be in a harbour when it got bombed. As cruel as it sounds, it really doesn't give them the right to be called brave. Yes, some might have fought in wars, but I'd say the vast majority hadn't. There were plenty of other happenings in the war (American too) that you could have talked about, happenings that generally don't get much coverage but still many, many died in. *shrug*

Eugene Lyricist · 06-06-2008, 03:36 AM

my question to you why try to talk about something you don't know much about. I know what you are trying to say. This is just one piece out there. Just like some soldiers they don't like to be wrote about, talked about, or honored for wars they have been involved in.

YOu have your right to your opinion. The only reason you hear about American, American, American, is because there is some people that see past the title of "American" and see people of many races and nationalities. There is plenty of wars and dates that are talked about. This is just one I decided to do since now days we really don't have much music about this subject.

If you want to talk about American, American, American, then take it upon yourself and write something. If you noticed I didn't say one thing saying American in this I said Vets. That means every military branch and their personnel there. Because there wasn't just Americans there. If you think there was only Americans then your once again talking about something you really don't know.

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Originally Posted by T.W. North

It just annoys me that practically the only media you hear on the war is american. American, american, american. *shrug* I just think its a bit weird to call them brave when they happened to be in a harbour when it got bombed. As cruel as it sounds, it really doesn't give them the right to be called brave. Yes, some might have fought in wars, but I'd say the vast majority hadn't. There were plenty of other happenings in the war (American too) that you could have talked about, happenings that generally don't get much coverage but still many, many died in. *shrug*

T.W. North · 06-06-2008, 09:28 PM

In that case the title is wrong. It's the title that gives me that idea.

Eugene Lyricist · 06-06-2008, 10:55 PM

How is the title wrong. Where did Dec 7th happen= Pearl Harbor

Where did May 30th happen= Pearl Harbor

So the title meets the subject of this piece.

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Originally Posted by T.W. North

In that case the title is wrong. It's the title that gives me that idea.

kingajcice · 06-07-2008, 12:08 AM

How many soldiers did your country lose from pearl harbor??? This is ridiculous North, I tend to usually agree with what you say, but this is completely wrong.

Then, let's even assume that every country decided to give honors to not even their own people, just everyone who was linked somehow in every war we fought and for some random reason we talked about people who had nothing to do with pearl harbor as well. Even then, we didn't get to have so much influence in the world by being egotistical or overconfident, we did it by fighting in multiple wars for what our country believed in.

Now, you're soldiers have probably done enough to earn respect, and from you they deserve praise. So praise them, but I praise my own soldiers before I praise others, and I don't see anything wrong with that, we give credit to what they did for our country, not what they did for another's.

That being said, I think it's a touching and great song, thank you Eugene

Eugene Lyricist · 06-07-2008, 01:12 AM

Thank you kingajcice.

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Originally Posted by kingajcice

How many soldiers did your country lose from pearl harbor??? This is ridiculous North, I tend to usually agree with what you say, but this is completely wrong.

Then, let's even assume that every country decided to give honors to not even their own people, just everyone who was linked somehow in every war we fought and for some random reason we talked about people who had nothing to do with pearl harbor as well. Even then, we didn't get to have so much influence in the world by being egotistical or overconfident, we did it by fighting in multiple wars for what our country believed in.

Now, you're soldiers have probably done enough to earn respect, and from you they deserve praise. So praise them, but I praise my own soldiers before I praise others, and I don't see anything wrong with that, we give credit to what they did for our country, not what they did for another's.

That being said, I think it's a touching and great song, thank you Eugene

T.W. North · 06-07-2008, 09:48 PM

Oh, sorry. I got the wrong message from your previous post. I thought you meant the war in general not Pearl Harbour, sorry. What I mean, is that Pearl Harbour is continually sung out to, because it was the start of the American war. Yeah, and a hell of a lot of people died there, yes. But there are so many forgotten American stories out there, all outshadowed by Pearl Harbour by no reason other than that it was sneak attack that shoved americans into the fight. What about the end? What about all the battles in the Pacific they fought in?

I mean, I can see why you're getting annoyed at me, I was being a arsehole. Still am I little, but all I'm trying to say is that you've written something incredibly generic and that has been written countless times before.

Tom · 06-08-2008, 07:59 AM

Sorry Eugene, even though I think the lyrics themselves have had alot of effort put into them, I agree with North when he says:

'has been written countless times before.'

I think it's a big rememberance for Americans, and therefore it has been written about many times, which really takes out the spark. Maybe, if you'd picked an event that is recent or not as well-known but equally important you could have done something good about it.

Also, I think the title 'Pearl Harbor' would turn some heads. Maybe something like '7th of December' etc?

Tom.

Eugene Lyricist · 06-08-2008, 06:19 PM

I do write about recent things. I'm actuallty working on person album for our military. I'm taking letters/stories. Making an album called Soldier's Stories.

Just like I told him you have the right to your opinion. One thing is there isn't really a lot of Pearl Harbor songs present days. Now there is a hand full from that came out after the event. Of course there was music made for the movie Pearl Harbor. There is plent of war material for present day. There is all kinds of musicians overseas writing and recording songs. I can always give you links to their pages. You can find more songs for whats happening now days then what happen in the past. I'm sure you know that. From your profile your not older then 15/16. Also I did notice your not an American. So you prob. agree with T.W. North also with his statement "I'm no biggy on american history".

I don't expect you and T.W. North agree with anything in this area of writing since its about Americans.

I forget that makes you all experts on how its played out in America.

JUST REMEMBER EVERYONE HAS THEIR RIGHT TO THEIR OPINION...

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Originally Posted by Tom

Sorry Eugene, even though I think the lyrics themselves have had alot of effort put into them, I agree with North when he says:

'has been written countless times before.'

I think it's a big rememberance for Americans, and therefore it has been written about many times, which really takes out the spark. Maybe, if you'd picked an event that is recent or not as well-known but equally important you could have done something good about it.

Also, I think the title 'Pearl Harbor' would turn some heads. Maybe something like '7th of December' etc?

Tom.

Mystery · 06-08-2008, 07:39 PM

Eugene, get a goddamn history textbook by a good reputable historian, and read up. I could turn you into swiss cheese with all the errors your making. World war I = Trench warfare and America joined in the Tidal wave that was already crushing Imperial Germany, most soldiers in pearl harbor where young, fresh blood who were only children during the first world war, and unlike European soldiers who fed their soil their blood to survive, most "experienced' us soldiers hadn't tasted the first World War. To put it bluntly. America didn't know shit because they didn't care if Europe bombed the shit out of itself.

Moving on, each country has dates it recognized individually, but all countries have dates they celebrate together, now tell me, is it better that we each individually celebrate our little dates, important only to ourselves which promotes isolationism, or rather we remember the bigger picture, the real damage, the real threat, sing about the dates the WORLD can relate to, because let me tell you, pearl harbor for America wasn't shit compared to Dresden in WWI.

In any case, I hate war songs, this is the worst way to commemorate a date, everyones done it and they've done it better than you, if you want to commemorate an important day of your country, go out there to memorials and pay your tributes, don't sit on a couch and play pretend.

T.W. North · 06-08-2008, 09:45 PM

Uh...Pearl Harbour was WWII Mystery

Eugene Lyricist · 06-08-2008, 09:59 PM

Clap Clap your totally right North. Hey man you know your some of american history. I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm just standing for what I wrote. Nothing against you. Myself I try to only comment on things I'm fluent with. Thanks again for your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by T.W. North

Uh...Pearl Harbour was WWII Mystery