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08-06-2006, 08:03 PM
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any education on lyric writing/ song structure
if you have any education/knowledge on lyric writing/ song structure please pour it on me . i wanted to research/educate myself in lyric writing & song structure .
but i did more research in song structure than lyrics
i need help with how to write lyrics . understand how to write lyrics.
i did some research on rimes . lets say you have four phrases , well there is many different ways to rime structure.
ex:each line can rime ,one after the other
ex:1/2/3/4 the end of line 1 rimes with end of line 3
ex:1/2/3/4 end of line 2 rimes with end of line 4 ( i find this the best one)
plus there was this one thing about how your syllables in the verse should match the first paragraphe of the verse .( i didn't really understand that one though )
please any info about lyric or song structure pour it on me . thanks
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08-06-2006, 08:39 PM
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Ink Slinger
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Structure as you see fit.
Otherwise, some random thoughts.
It makes it easier for others to get a feel for the lyric if you:
... write it as it would be sung
... explain key/tempo changes if/where they occur
... give an idea of the music/style you have in mind for the lyric (if any)
... rhyme is not compulsory
Standard elements of lyrics include:
intro
verse(s)
chorus(es)
bridge
outro
Again, for the readers' ease, arranging the elements in the order you envision the piece assists them with getting a feel for it.
Best bet is to listen to and read as wide a variety of music/lyrics as you can
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08-07-2006, 08:53 AM
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i have been listening to phil collins , i find he writes good chorus.
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08-07-2006, 09:00 AM
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He does... but variety is the key 
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08-07-2006, 02:02 PM
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Put in 3 names of bands/singer from completely different genre's of music and switch between channels every 1-2 hours That should give you a pretty good understanding of music that follows lyrics and the variety.
Whenever you find a song you just like listening to, stop it and google it's lyrics.
See how famous people writy lyrics and so on, that should give you an understanding.
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08-07-2006, 08:00 PM
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there is nothing set in stone, but browsing the lyrics here should give you a faily good idea....I am a structure kind of person, so basic lyric structure is found in nearly all my material...but many good alterations and variations are found in others work on here.
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08-08-2006, 12:52 PM
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can some one explain to me the (well not rules ) but about the syllables in lyrics . about how some lines should match the number of syllables.
plus i know of verse ,chorus,bridge, pre-chorus . is there any more?
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08-08-2006, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by huxley
can some one explain to me the (well not rules ) but about the syllables in lyrics . about how some lines should match the number of syllables.
plus i know of verse ,chorus,bridge, pre-chorus . is there any more?
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typically you want your verses to each match each other in syllable counts per line. So each line in each verse in a song should have a similar syllable count...or if you want to expand, you could do:
1rst line X syllables
2nd line Y syllables
3rd line X syllables
4rth line Y syllables |
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08-08-2006, 03:54 PM
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Syllables don't really matter, because a single sylable can be held for as many or as few parts of a beat as you like when sung. Having a set number of syllables per line is handy (only) if you have no music (or beat or rhythm) for the lyric.
Always remember that with a song, the sum of its parts are greater than the parts on their own.
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08-08-2006, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bika
Syllables don't really matter, because a single sylable can be held for as many or as few parts of a beat as you like when sung. Having a set number of syllables per line is handy (only) if you have no music (or beat or rhythm) for the lyric.
Always remember that with a song, the sum of its parts are greater than the parts on their own.
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while thats true it is not always the most effective way to do things...all must be considered when making a lyrical peice. And some syllables are said faster than others.... |
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08-08-2006, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by thamior
while thats true it is not always the most effective way to do things...all must be considered when making a lyrical peice. And some syllables are said faster than others....
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LMAO.
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08-09-2006, 05:57 AM
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These guys don't know what they're talking about.
And shame on you for asking the structure for lyrics.
Write them. Learn. There is no asking epople how to contrust YOUR lyrics.
Might aswell just google lyrics and post 'em.
Shame.
I learned when I was ten... writing songs about mints and chocolate bars. Then at 12, I started writing more intricate things, like how the toilet works.
Shame.
Don't ask that.
Shame.
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08-09-2006, 07:44 AM
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These guys don't know what they're talking about.
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08-09-2006, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by demon_
These guys don't know what they're talking about.
And shame on you for asking the structure for lyrics.
Write them. Learn. There is no asking epople how to contrust YOUR lyrics.
Might aswell just google lyrics and post 'em.
Shame.
I learned when I was ten... writing songs about mints and chocolate bars. Then at 12, I started writing more intricate things, like how the toilet works.
Shame.
Don't ask that.
Shame.
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You've obviously forgotten who you are talking about ^_^
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Let's drown all our sorrows and we'll be gone till tomorrow...
Dies Irae, Dies Ilia, Solvet Saeclum In Favilla...
Yes, must still shut up.
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08-09-2006, 10:26 PM
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Ahahahaha!
Mystery, you are yet forgotten in my archive brain. Only when I see the word I remember you.
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Thamior, you know it!
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