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Originally Posted by Pinocchiopiate
I have nothing to say to this. It's ignorance at its finest. AND you have no evidence to support your claim. It's because you can't assign evidence to an opinion. Good job to YOU for not realizing that.
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Ignorance, are we going to call opinion ignorance now? Good job, you just destroyed what makes every human unique.
All those bands suck some sever ass, for the simple reason that I've heard 2 songs from each, and never touched their music again, and Im the kind of person that listens to anything from country to satanistic metal aslong as it's good.
Experience is evidence enough for me.
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I was proving a point. My writing style has just as much validity as anyone else's. I have no problem with the poetic format. I'm sorry that I live in a generation of people stuck in the past, but people aren't always going to write in the format YOU expect of them. Things are going to change. And as far as topic changes... why would I change topics in the middle of a song? One topic, one paragraph. And "writers" was said in contrast to "lyricists." There's a difference. All lyricists ARE writers, but not all writers are lyricists. I suppose I could say that since I am a lyricist, I am a writer also. Writers can arrange words into "paragraphs." Therefore, lyricists, being writers, can do the same.
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Ahhh reading comprehension failiure, you can write as you want, it just means you will never ever get a proper critique from me or elipsis or anyone like this. You missed the point that no formal criticists will look at this, because it takes too much effort to read. All lyricists are writers. All writers are lyricists. The difference between the two is that a leap of knowledge is required to cross over from one to the other, one that you sadly lack. Writing is the basis for everything, poetry, screenplays, lyrics.
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Here, you rely on the premise that your and elipsis' opinions has more validity than anyone else's. Well, sadly, I have news for you. You are not the sole judge of what is good and what is "stupid." An object's value comes from opinions OUTSIDE itself. Things aren't just "good" or "bad"; It depends on the viewer. If you think the prose lyrical form is horrible, then so be it. That's your opinion; do what you will with it. But I'm sure that other people will probably enjoy it. And I'd say that the word "lazy" most accurately describes a reader who can't think beyond merely what he has seen before.
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Lazy best describes someone who would rather have a petty fight that put in the mental effort to correct his format and make it ledgible.
Do I think my opinion is better than others? No, why do you seem to think that our opinions are not as good as others? Becuase it offends your work instead of complimenting it, you sir are the mentally lazy person here, not I.
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There's a difference between criticism on FORMAT and on CONTENT. That's criticism with a C, not an S. I DO care about your standards, as long as you can consider a song's CONTENT, and not just its FORMAT, in order to determine its value. Did you even read the song? Your post was full of complaints about its format. I didn't hear ANYTHING about the content. The prose format may not make the song any better, but at least read it. That's a good place for an audience to start: caring about the WRITER's works themselves. So far, you haven't been much of an audience.
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I think you missed the part where I said I wont bother reading it because like any examiner, what is in poor format is a simple fail and go to the next, I do not waste my time with things that are poorly formatted.
I havent been much of an audience? There isn't much of a song to be audience to. And instead of fixing that you would rather argue.
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First of all, what is "critisim?" I'd like you to learn to spell before you criticize MY writing. And once again, you claim that the paragraph form has no validity by crassly deeming it "poor format." And I'd say that any audience that doesn't care to read a song just because it's not arranged into stanzas is a bit of a dogmatic one. I might as well bring the book "Losing Faith in Faith" to church one Sunday. The congregation and pastor wouldn't like it. Why? Because nine times out of ten, they'll just hold fast to their own ideas without considering the other side's argument. Just like you seem to be doing. If you can't read anything more than a song that is simply broken up into lines for you, then you are exhibiting a MASSIVE degree of laziness.
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I'm dutch, english is my 3rd languadge and the only time I speak it is to offshore friends on MSN, I haven't been taught english for 4 years now, does my english suck? Too bad, I'd love to see you write an acceptable sentence is my languadge before you complain about how I speak yours.
I've written many times outside of standard lyrical format, but what you have done is simply poor. There are rules and regulations to everything, you are also exhibiting a MASSIVE amount of lazyness by rather arguing than correcting your poor sloppy format.
I'm close minded? Ha ha, try "my format is acceptible because I am a writer and all writers can write as they choose, YOU ARE WRONG FOR THINKING ANY DIFFERENT".
And I'm really going to comment on your content when I receive this much hell for format, yeah, I would rather not.(Good job, you just turned off part of your audience)
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You seem to really like arguing the same point, don't you -- that I'm a closed-minded fool for deviating from the "lyrical format." I used to write songs in the lyrical format all the time. But I've grown as a songwriter since then. I'd say that being closed-minded means failing to realize that there is more than one way to write a song. A good critic would see that. I accept all criticism, as long as it is not SUPERFICIAL. And by calling my work illegible, you also raise the premise that BOOKS are illegible. Do BOOKS make your eyes bleed? It seems like you're just criticizing my writing COMPARED to the lyrical format. Instead, look at the song by itself and see if the CONTENT has the same effect on your poor retinas.
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Books that are one huge paragraph are illegible, I just throw them away.
You seem to miss the point that the way something is written is not how it's sung, Im asking you to space this out and break it for breathlines(if you know what that is) so it's easier for me(the critic, who owe's you nothing to read this) to read. But noooooo, you'd rather have a petty arguement that you're right and I'm wrong.
You also forget that I do not have telepathy, it is up to you to show me, in the way the song is written, what it sounds like.
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I'm not saying I'm any better at writing than elipsis; look at the "opinion" section above. I was making a point with that offer: his "criticism" was superficial and not constructive in any way. His response, like yours, was based on the format of the song, and not the song itself. I believe we can agree that criticism is more of an evaluation of a WORK, and not an evaluation of a FORMAT alone.
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Format is part of your work, any examiner will first look over a paper to look at handwriting and format, if it isnt up to standard he will slam a big fat F on the paper and continue with the next. I'm not a good critic?, it seems you don't even understand what a critic is.
Your format reflects your work, and a sloppy format like this just screams to me "my work is not even worth reading, I was too lazy to space it out and make it easy to read". It's like telling me you made it harder to read because the content sucks.
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As I said above, the format is just as sloppy as that of a book. Lyricists, as writers, are entitled to write in any format they choose. And critics are entitled to any opinion they choose. You can hate my format all you want. Hey, you can print it out and throw a napalm milkshake at it for all I care. But you're overlooking the content, which makes you seem like a bit of a careless critic. If you can't understand that, then I don't want to hear any other superficial responses to the format.
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Like I said before, format reflects work. I will not read this because you don't value it enough yourself to change it's format so that I will read it, that speaks oodles about the content of this piece.
And Like I said, any GOOD examiner will first look at format and if its not good, just fail a paper. Im a careless examiner? Nope, I'm your standard A level examiner.
Books have SPACING, and MORE THAN ONE PARAGRAPH, they also have more spacing for dialogue and nice big chapters. Any book thats one big paragraph without any separation, I will just throw away.
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Now, you might say, "But you're not writing a book; you're writing a song." See the second refutation for my response to that.
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You are not writing a book, you are writing a song, get off the mindframe that they are the same thing.
Books do not need to dictate the action of one's voice with their format, lyrics do.
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And none of this is directed toward either of you as people. But I didn't come to this board to be judged by the format of my writing alone. Just like people of other races didn't come to America to be judged by the color of their skin alone, but instead by the CONTENT of their character. You see a pattern here? This is supposed to be a board where writers can share their ideas, not complain about those of others. And looking at your post counts, I'm shocked to discover that neither of you have thought about that. So next time you post something like this about someone else's writing, just take some time to think about what you're saying, and what it might say about you in the eyes of your boardmates.
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I'm shocked to think you would actually dare, even dare compare this to racism. It's a sweeping accusation and a pathetic one at that.
I'm also shocked that you think you actually deserve to ask what you get criticism on. No my friend, we are the critic's not you, we decide what we will look at. I told you your format is sloppy, instead of changing it you started a petty arguement, do you really think i can care to even look at this song again?
I'm sorry sir, you fail. You came here to have people tell you "your work is great" instead of telling you "your work is bad in this part, make it better".
Yes my postcount, you should also understand that I can give very good criticism, but don't bother because of people like you.
Argue back all you want, it just keeps screaming to me "I would rather argue with you so you dont read my work, that change my work so you would read it". It shows me how much you value your own work, and how much I should value it.
