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Mystery · 07-25-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SparkyLT

Gnomes Amok... I'm sorry, but does everything I post here have to have a deep, hidden meaning that surely only I will know? You say, try a little harder, but I know that if try harder you're just going to tell me it's forced.

Do you think he or I managed to write things that didn't sound forced the first time around? Practice makes perfect remember. If you don't practice, game over.

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Do you know what it means to crawl down deep inside yourself, to prevent somoene else from engulfing you completely? If you do, why don't you write a song about it instead of just complaining that mine is meaningless, when it has plenty of meaning to me? If you've already written lyrics about this, please post it so I can read it. I'm sure it'll make no sense to me, just as this one makes none to you. And by the way, I don't expect my lyrics to be professional grade, and neither should you.

Dude. Weak.
First you question about having meaning that reflects only to you, and then you claim that there is only meaning for you. Why oh why.
What he is telling you to do is not write some super secret hidden meaning, it's to write some colorful, imaginative, the same way you don't draw with just blacks whites and grays you don't write dull and unimaginative. Thats what you have written here, it's unimaginative, show me one part that needs the vibrant use of your imagination to write.

When someone gives you negative feedback, stop brushing it off with "you don't understand" because that makes you look like more of an annoying teenager than a half serious writer, take it in stroll and try to improve. And if you are going to resign to writing trash, don't waste peoples time with it.

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All I'm saying is, just in case you haven't figured it out yet, don't call someone else's work meaningless just because it has no meaning that you can see.

Dude, both he and I have been doing this a lot longer than you, we've written a lot more complex things and read a lot more complex things(I mean common, have you tried reading some of T.W's stuff

?), it's not that we don't understand or can't interpret, it's that it's literally weak, unimaginative, dull, meaningless.

SparkyLT · 07-26-2008, 12:00 AM

I'll be honest, I'm just too damn stubborn to say, "Ok, you're right, I'm wrong."

I am an annoying teenager, or so I have been told.

And: I'm just sick of criticism. The last writing forum I was on was nothing but. I'm sorry if get defensive when I get criticism, it's only because I assume it's sheerly destructive "this is useless, burn it" criticism, so I probably interpret it wrong. The thing is, I'm not trying to write anything complex, I'm trying to write something people can relate to. So if this stuff is weak, unimaginative, dull, and meaningless, maybe I subconsciously see people in general as weak, unimaginative, dull, and meaningless...? I don't know, you're making me think.

And finally...no big deal, but can you stop calling me dude? at least switch to dudette?

moderan · 07-26-2008, 06:01 AM

annotare post profugere might do...the last word can also be volare or fuga, but profugere has the connotation of fleeing.

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And: I'm just sick of criticism. The last writing forum I was on was nothing but. I'm sorry if get defensive when I get criticism, it's only because I assume it's sheerly destructive "this is useless, burn it" criticism, so I probably interpret it wrong. The thing is, I'm not trying to write anything complex, I'm trying to write something people can relate to.

Doesn't that contradict the statement that the song only has meaning for you? If that's the case, then why post it in a public forum? You're going to get varying degrees of criticism. Some constructive, some not so much. Personally I go out of my way to be constructive. Most of the other critics here do as well. At least they have been doing so in this particular thread.
If you're going to be a pro, or even a semi-pro, you'll need thicker skin. If you're writing for the trunk, then you hardly need post it. A good portion of professionally-written lyrics are abysmal...but a better portion are competently written, and a fairly large percentage are inspired. That does not mean they are necessarily complex or deep, though they can be. It just means the author knows what the words should mean to other people.
Mystery has a point here, and he's being very kind. It isn't a bad thing to have to rewrite. Keep at it, and eventually, sooner or later, you achieve competence. The playing of and writing of music and lyrics has been at least part of my living for more than 25 years. I can attest to the above.